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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

nice double-think/talk

you only want to violate their religious rights so you can fly down the road out of control.

AND

violate their right to travel without infringement

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

nice double-think/talk

you only want to violate their religious rights so you can fly down the road out of control.

AND

violate their right to travel without infringement

Again, making stuff up. You just like to argue.

I live with these buggies on the road everyday. No problem with it at all. I also don't go flying down the road: (1) my own safety and (2) not just buggies, but deer, raccoons, turkeys, skunks, cats, dogs, snow banks, tree limbs. My life is much calmer than that.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

nice double-think/talk

you only want to violate their religious rights so you can fly down the road out of control.

AND

violate their right to travel without infringement

Again, making stuff up. You just like to argue.

I live with these buggies on the road everyday. No problem with it at all. I also don't go flying down the road: (1) my own safety and (2) not just buggies, but deer, raccoons, turkeys, skunks, cats, dogs, snow banks, tree limbs. My life is much calmer than that.

And, had you went flying down the road, you would have been in violation of the law and would have paid a speeding fine at the least, and lost your license to drive at the penultimate worst.

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tell that BS to badnarik

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ORIGINAL: Clickofheels

"It's about personal pride and ego."

Hmmm...that's quite a statement when you consider how the Amish live. Although it's not uncommon for nonAmish people to make all sorts of remarks against them.
The word "ego" doesn't even enter into their lifestyles...quite the opposite.

Respectfully,
Ms Click

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Those signs aren't JUST for the Amish -- they are for drivers who would hit them and maybe kill them or themselves (the drivers) all because the black buggy couldn't be seen in the dark.

Sorry but the Amish are wrong in this respect.  While they have their religious beliefs, when their religious beliefs could cause harm to others -- then its something they need to compromise with regard to same or pay the consequences.\

Personally, i also believe anyone walking on a road in dim light -- needs to be wearing reflectors.

This isn't all about the Amish or the walker, this is about the harm that hitting one of them because they weren't scene could cause the driver of a car who wasn't breaking any laws but simply utilizing the road but just didn't see them.

Living with that can be very damaging to people and the amish need to understand this and respect that if they are going to be on roads constructed and upkept by modern day conveniences, then they need to follow the laws of utilizing their vehicles on same.  To me, their religion allows compromise there, yes?  I mean from what i understand of the Amish, they shun modern day things that are made with or used by or use modern day concepts.  Well the paved roads are one of those modern day conveniences.

So if they are willing to compromise to use those roads, then this to me, is part of that compromise.

angel

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People and vehicles out of control need to understand they are a hazard on the public common way.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Clickofheels

"It's about personal pride and ego."

Hmmm...that's quite a statement when you consider how the Amish live. Although it's not uncommon for nonAmish people to make all sorts of remarks against them.
The word "ego" doesn't even enter into their lifestyles...quite the opposite.

Respectfully,
Ms Click

It does, though, in this case. They are, after all, human, not de facto saints.

"I'm not following that law, and I'm not paying that fine, and I'm going to defy you rather than talking to you" is entirely personal pride and ego, by definition.

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Title 42 U.S.C. § 1983. Every person who, under color or any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom or usage, of any State of Territory, subjects ... any citizen of the United States ... to the deprivation of any rights, privileges or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.

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no it does not in any case of "rights"

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to the deprivation of any rights, privileges or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws

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"I'm going to defy you rather than talking to you?" I must have been at the movies, because I missed that part! (chuckling)

I believe this is a pretty isolated case

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

RealOne what the fuck are you talking about?  Have you ever driven on a road that has no street lights and in the dark its really dark. All the time!

What part of people who are simply DRIVING on the road not breaking ANY LAWS, did you miss.    I know how easy it is in that situation to not see something -- the road to my house, though a basic road gets pitch black in the dark and for the most part is mostly without streetlights, when i am driving on it and the speedlimit btw is 30 miles an hour, i usually go 10-15 in the dark because its very difficult to see REGULAR cars on the sides of the roads that aren't BLACK in color, god forbid there is a walker or runner crossing the street.

So quit being obtuse.  Their religious "rights" are compromised BY them by the very fact they USE the MODERN DAY ROAD.  So if they can compromise that for THEIR CONVENIENCE, they can compromise for the laws of that road.

angel