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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:34:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		As you have noted in your post, it's liberals who are using the term "tea bagger," and again, the TEA Party has mission statements, and in those statements is the name of the political persuasion. We do not call ourselves "teabaggers." I feel that I'm in a good position to explain this, as I am a member of that set of political beliefs.

Now, as to sending tea bags to Congress, I would imagine that people thougt that was a neater way to make the point, as loose tea would be messy when opened.

A sign stating "Tea bag" someone is no more representative of all of us than any comment from the liberal side, including calls to rape the Palin child. I believe that was Bill Maher.

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RE: Canada Proudly Bans Free Speech - 1/14/2012 1:35:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Truck, its quite simple Canada hasnt abolished free speech
get YOUR facts correct first
It hasnt allowed the government to decide what is true
it has denied the ability to tell lies before they even get the chance to
not anywhere NEAR what you want to believe.


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:36:22 PM   
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LOL--please don't use a particular attendee of a TEA Party to generalize that we all feel the same. It's not as though anyone here has suggested that all Occupy memers are rapists.


You mean here on this thread?  Again, do your homework, your notions on that score are silly, B.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:36:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see that this isn't a place to discuss differences and the much vaunted "change in tone." It's merely a place to picksemantics arguments and frantically Google the names of logical argument fallacies.

That's a shame. I'm of the belief that we won't get anywhere as long as we continue the "I'm right, Food Fight!" technique of communication.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:37:37 PM   
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too funny


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:38:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		mnottertail, I thought it was obvious that I was talking about this thread. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear to you.

What did you mean "B?" Did you mean to put "N?"

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:39:53 PM   
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As you have noted in your post, it's liberals who are using the term "tea bagger," and again, the TEA Party has mission statements, and in those statements is the name of the political persuasion. We do not call ourselves "teabaggers."


4 of my 7 examples were of Tea Party members using the term. I've gone back and bolded for you

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:40:25 PM   
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LMAO the double standards are becoming triple standards

too funny



Lucylastic, I'm sorry, I didn't get it. What did you mean by this?

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RE: Canada Proudly Bans Free Speech - 1/14/2012 1:42:19 PM   
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it has denied the ability to tell lies before they even get the chance to


Pretty much the definition of the abolishment of free speech, no?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:43:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I see. I didn't take the use of a tea bag (the item) as being a mission statement. So I do see one instance referenced, and a "tea bag the liberals" counts as well, though that is an individual, and not the movement.

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RE: Canada Proudly Bans Free Speech - 1/14/2012 1:45:56 PM   
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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:47:00 PM   
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I see that this isn't a place to discuss differences and the much vaunted "change in tone." It's merely a place to picksemantics arguments and frantically Google the names of logical argument fallacies.

That's a shame. I'm of the belief that we won't get anywhere as long as we continue the "I'm right, Food Fight!" technique of communication.

When you deny evidence against your stance, then no you wont get anywhere
nobody ever does

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RE: Canada Proudly Bans Free Speech - 1/14/2012 1:52:22 PM   
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it has denied the ability to tell lies before they even get the chance to


Pretty much the definition of the abolishment of free speech, no?

No, maybe in your mind, but NO


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:55:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lucylastic, I haven't denied evidence. A person with a sign or comment doesn't represent the movement anymore than Bill Maher with his unfortunate comment. That wouldn't qualify as evidence. Sending of a tea bag does not equate to calling oneself a "teabagger." The rules of evidence are pretty standard, don't you think?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:58:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm...there is definitely a point to be made that free speech entails saying whatever you want, and that a law saying "You can't tell lies" would necessitate the judgment of some kind of board who determined whether or not the statement was truth or lie. If that board is not a government board, that's one thng.

This does seem to be a restriction on speech.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 1:59:35 PM   
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Lucylastic, I haven't denied evidence. A person with a sign or comment doesn't represent the movement anymore than Bill Maher with his unfortunate comment. That wouldn't qualify as evidence. Sending of a tea bag does not equate to calling oneself a "teabagger." The rules of evidence are pretty standard, don't you think?


Braburner... teabagger...



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RE: Canada Proudly Bans Free Speech - 1/14/2012 1:59:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my mind, and in American law: YES.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:00:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		'Teabagger' Finalist For Oxford's 'Word Of The Year'

It should be noted that the term "teabagger" appears on Oxford's list because of the usage cited on that list, not because of any other meaning. Citations for the political sense were found in a number of legitimate sources throughout the year. As a reference to members of the currently active Tea Party, the word has been used in speech and print by both liberals and conservatives. In this context, the term "teabagger" is a reasonably conceived informal name for an affiliate of the Tea Party, and as a word in the news, it earned a mention for the year 2009.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:02:28 PM   
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a law saying "You can't tell lies" would necessitate the judgment of some kind of board who determined whether or not the statement was truth or lie. If that board is not a government board, that's one thng.


Hard to imagine what else it could be besides government or government toady/proxy. Death panels always are.

It's government censorship, pure and simple, and the end of free speech in Canada unless you get a satellite...

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:04:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kalikshama, I am not saying it isn't a word. I'm saying that it is derogatory, and name calling, just a the "f" word and the "n" word are derogatory. This is especially clear in the "n" word, as we've all seem to have come to the agreement that African-Americans can use it, but others outside of that group may not.

So my original point, that "teabagger" is offensive to those of us in the Tea Party still stands. :)

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