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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:05:08 PM   
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Lucylastic, I haven't denied evidence. A person with a sign or comment doesn't represent the movement anymore than Bill Maher with his unfortunate comment. That wouldn't qualify as evidence. Sending of a tea bag does not equate to calling oneself a "teabagger." The rules of evidence are pretty standard, don't you think?

I was using the generalisation YOU< not you personally, it is probably a cultural thing. I aplogise for the misunderstanding.


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:06:47 PM   
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Understood, thanks!

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:07:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tazzy--I didn't get that. Explain, please?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:08:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		My my, you are new around these parts. Libtard is a derogatory name as well... search and see how often it is used. Neocon is derogatory... try that one. And take a look at how often Obama's name is smeared and mangled on these boards.

Sorry, you are fighting the wrong fight here. teabagger is a term I have seldom ever used. Probably more in this thread than any other. But, if you are doing something... flag burning... you get labeled a flag burner. Bra burning, you get labeled a bra burner. Sending tea bags... yep, you guessed it. Its a perfectly viable option. Dont blame the posters here if they use it. They didnt create it, your party did.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:10:03 PM   
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Tazzy--I didn't get that. Explain, please?


Sorry, you will have to get used to typos. The grammar police are on the other boards.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:12:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Tazzy, again, it's a derogatory term, and if we're to have reasonable discussion, it's important to leave those words out, isn't it?

I'm aware that other conservatives might use derogatory terms. Again, we (socially, we) are using the "He did it too!" fallacy of logic, and that doesn't further debate.

Again, I was under the impression that this was a discussion, but it looks a little like a food fight. I got a bit confused as parts of it seem reasonable, and some not.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:13:25 PM   
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A sign stating "Tea bag" someone is no more representative of all of us than any comment from the liberal side, including calls to rape the Palin child. I believe that was Bill Maher.


It wasn't Maher but Letterman and it wasn't rape:

Noting that Alaska's Republican Gov. Sarah Palin and her daughter attended a New York Yankees game over the weekend with famous Yankee fan Rudy Giuliani, Letterman said:

One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.

He said that his "joke" Monday about Palin's (unnamed) daughter getting "knocked up" by a professional baseball player was aimed at Palin's daughter, Bristol, who is 18, not Willow, who is 14 and attended the baseball game. "I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex with a 14-year-old girl...Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes."



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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:15:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I wasn't regerring to the typo, I understood that. You explained in your next post what you meant regarding bra-burners.

And just for the record, I'm old enough that I was involved in the bra burnings, and we preferred to be called "feminists." "Bra-burner" was a derogatory term used to make it seem as though we had nothing worthy to say, that it was all about going braless. It was used to mock us.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:15:44 PM   
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Hmmm...there is definitely a point to be made that free speech entails saying whatever you want, and that a law saying "You can't tell lies" would necessitate the judgment of some kind of board who determined whether or not the statement was truth or lie. If that board is not a government board, that's one thng.

This does seem to be a restriction on speech.


Hi Notsweet,

Do you think "truth in advertising" is an impingement of one`s right to lie to us?


I see a lot of good things in being compelled to telling the truth and very little positive about being free to lie to the public.


Can you show us some examples of how legally being able to falsely advertise would be a good thing?


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:16:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		My apologies! I don't watch Letterman. But I don't think that negates my comment that all liberals wouldn't agree with what Mr. Letterman said, does it?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:17:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was used to mock your political beliefs. Not you as a person, not you as a gender, not you as your intelligence, but your political beliefs. Which is a huge part of politics to begin with.

I dont like the term, I prefer Tea Party. But Im not about to slam someone for its use as I would someone who tosses out a racial slur.

There is a difference.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:17:57 PM   
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a law saying "You can't tell lies" would necessitate the judgment of some kind of board who determined whether or not the statement was truth or lie. If that board is not a government board, that's one thng.


Hard to imagine what else it could be besides government or government toady/proxy. Death panels always are.

It's government censorship, pure and simple, and the end of free speech in Canada unless you get a satellite...

They did not abolish free speech...... they denied a group off liars a license to spread their lies to gullible and ignorant people. We see it everyday from fox viewers why its a good thing(IMNSHO)
Im perfetly fine with that. More than fine. Seeing the dearth of ignorance shown about the world from groups like murdoch media, I know full well what I prefer

But free speech has NOT been abolished no matter how you parse it. you are SIMPLY WRONG.


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:20:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		FWIW, the public attention to the issue might be all that's kept the kid from getting pregnant so far. I mean "Good Judgement" doesn't exactly run in the family, does it?

Letterman should have doubled down on "Don't have unprotected sex -- and especially with a Yankee" message instead of waffling.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:21:45 PM   
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My apologies! I don't watch Letterman. But I don't think that negates my comment that all liberals wouldn't agree with what Mr. Letterman said, does it?


I do agree that when you preach abstinence before marriage that it is awkward when your unwed daughter becomes pregnant.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:23:01 PM   
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Owner, what I'm suggesting is that "free speech" precludes the government from restricting what you can say. But you knew that :) And yes, to an extent, the government does protect consumers, but surely you don't think "new and improved" is a matter of fact, is it? Suppose I don't think it's an improvement? Is it then a lie?

The issue with Fox News (or MSNBC) is who's determining that something is a lie? And are we talking about outright lies, or opinions?

Here, free speech means that Nazis can march in Skokie, saying what they want. And gay people can march in the street saying what they want. Political speech is just that, and as such is a matter of opinion. You can no more say that everything that comes from Fox is a lie anymore than you can any other news organization.

But you know that :)

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:25:41 PM   
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They did not abolish free speech...... they denied a group off liars a license to spread their lies


Let me walk you through it LL.

Who are the "they" in "they denied"?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:26:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tazzy, do you mean that "braburner" was used to mock political beliefs? Because no, that wasn't the situation. At that point in our history, women were not taken very seriously--just take a look at the employment situation. Women were treated a great deal more like children, and the name "braburner" was meant the same way that "dyke" was before we took that back.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:26:51 PM   
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they did NOT ABOLISH FREE SPEECH

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:27:43 PM   
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You can no more say that everything that comes from Fox is a lie anymore than you can any other news organization.


Well, they can in Canada.
And, since there's no truth police on the internet, so can Owner

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 2:29:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again, the name calling. Fox viewers as "ignorant." Merely because they disagree with your political views? All of them? And everyone at Fox is a liar? Really? Is there some kind of evidence for this?

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