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tazzygirl -> Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:09:10 PM)
Republican state Rep. Kip Smith was arrested early Friday morning in Buckhead and charged with DUI, according to an Atlanta police report obtained by Channel 2 Action News. The officer said Smith finally agreed to blow into the device. The report stated that Smith blew a .091., which is above the legal limit of .08. He was given two more breath tests, and Smith blew a .099 and then a .100, “well over the legal limit,” the report said. Smith was charged with three offenses -- two DUI charges, and the third, failure to obey a traffic control device. He was released on bond. An Atlanta police spokesman said the department would have no comment beyond the police report. http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/state-rep-kip-smith-1302153.html Where is the finger pointing? UPDATE: Kip Smith co-sponsored HB 464, which is one of the many bills that would require drug testing for public assistance. UPDATE for fairness: As was a pointed out by a friend of mine of Facebook, we should note that he is innocent until proven guilty http://www.gapolitico.com/en/2012/01/14/republican-state-house-member-gets-dui

Hillwilliam -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:12:28 PM)
How can you be charged twice for DUI on one traffic stop? ETA: Where's subrob when you have a cop question?

tazzygirl -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:20:24 PM)
Its Georgia.

LadyPact -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:24:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its Georgia. ^^^ That. I'm just surprised it wasn't DeKalb county. ETA - OK. I was wrong there. I didn't give My opinion of the original. I'm actually pretty anti-drunk driving. I'm one of those 'older' folks who became educated on the matter through the years (because we didn't always have the evidence to know better) and My position has changed significantly in the last twenty-five years. I'm guessing the two charges have to do with the two different tests. I've heard that is the trick to try to pull. Stall blowing into the little machine in hopes that if you are just minimally tipsy, half an hour will make a difference.

tazzygirl -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:28:02 PM)
I think it has to do with the fact that in Georgia, they can prosecute with the blood alcohol level, and also without. Under the current law, the state may use blood alcohol levels as evidence where test results show .08 percent or greater. In cases where the blood alcohol level does not meet or exceed the .08 percent standard, or where the blood alcohol level cannot be determined because the arrestee refused testing, the state may put forth evidence to show that the driver was somehow impaired at the time of the arrest. This evidence may include performance during field sobriety tests, driving patterns, appearance and speech pattern, general attitude, and any other evidence that may point to the truth or falsehood of the DUI allegation. Maybe they charged both ways just to cover the bases.

Miserlou -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:30:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its Georgia. burn!! i have always wondered at the rationale behind the drug tests for assistance idea, it seems so very counter-productive, it would seem to me that those with drug problems are the ones most in need of assistance. that and it is just one more example of the stigma attached to poverty in this country, if you're poor then you must be stoned or stupid. i'll support drug tests for public assistance when there are matching drug tests for the ceo's getting government contracts, until then its nothing but economic discrimination and demonizing the least fortunate for political gain.

DarkSteven -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:32:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Kip Smith co-sponsored HB 464, which is one of the many bills that would require drug testing for public assistance. If holding office is not considered getting public assistance....

tazzygirl -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:34:00 PM)
Was just about to mention that DS. Many of the comments to the story suggested that as well. Welfare recipients are on the "dole". But government salaries are paid out of the same pot.

tweakabelle -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:52:07 PM)
In the OP Smith is reported to have been at a restaurant prior to this arrest. It would interesting to see who paid the restaurant bill. If this person has charged it to this official credit card, then he was getting high on the public purse ......... which shifts his current predicament from one of gross embarrassment to one of gross hypocrisy. However, I must emphasise that, on the information at hand, this is merely speculation ...... and possibly scurrilous speculation at that.

TheHeretic -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:54:58 PM)
Pfft. Now when my state rep got popped on his DUI, he'd done his drinking in a gay bar, and was still over the limit, taking his "friend," home.

tazzygirl -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:55:33 PM)
If we go that route, then anyone on welfare who must submit to drug testing cannot be penalized until the state proves the welfare recipient paid for the intoxicant and not someone else.

tazzygirl -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 8:56:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Pfft. Now when my state rep got popped on his DUI, he'd done his drinking in a gay bar, and was still over the limit, taking his "friend," home. Rich, I wouldnt have even mentioned this except for his stance on welfare drug testing.

TheHeretic -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 9:03:39 PM)
It seems a stretch, Tazzy. Booze is legal.

TheHeretic -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 9:07:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle If this person has charged it to this official credit card, then he was getting high on the public purse ......... which shifts his current predicament from one of gross embarrassment to one of gross hypocrisy. What makes you think he even has an "official" credit card?

tazzygirl -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 9:09:00 PM)
So are cabs. Drinking and driving isnt legal. Why should they propose conditions onto the government money that the poor get when they cant hold to the laws while holding out their own hands?

tweakabelle -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 9:13:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl If we go that route, then anyone on welfare who must submit to drug testing cannot be penalized until the state proves the welfare recipient paid for the intoxicant and not someone else. I thought the whole rationale behind drug testing welfare recipients was to prevent public money being used to subsidise/finance drug habits. If someone on welfare is given drugs or inhales them because they're in a room where others are smoking drugs, then there is no justification for penalising them, is there? To me the glaring hypocrisy involved in a public representative getting drunk on the public purse, and then drink-driving while proposing laws that penalise welfare recipients for testing positive to drugs is indefensible. And a drink-driver is a far greater threat to public health and safety, wouldn't you agree?

popeye1250 -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 9:14:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Pfft. Now when my state rep got popped on his DUI, he'd done his drinking in a gay bar, and was still over the limit, taking his "friend," home. Ha, a few years ago up in Manchester, N.H. a judge was busted for DUI comming out of a gay bar with a "friend" he'd just met at the bar. "Your honor" was in a full evening dress with high heels and frilly undies. Needless to say he was "benched." [:D]

TheHeretic -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 9:15:27 PM)
Tazzy, I think we might be looking at that aspect, backwards. He's being held to account for failing a drug test, and will likely suffer some consequences for it. Why shouldn't they? [;)]

tazzygirl -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 9:21:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Tazzy, I think we might be looking at that aspect, backwards. He's being held to account for failing a drug test, and will likely suffer some consequences for it. Why shouldn't they? [;)] If you cant walk the walk, then why talk the talk? Its not his first time. Its only his first time getting caught. How many lives has he, or did he that night, put into jeopardy after smugly deciding welfare recipients were all these terrible drug users.

TheHeretic -> RE: Glass houses and stones don't mix (1/15/2012 9:40:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle I thought the whole rationale behind drug testing welfare recipients was to prevent public money being used to subsidise/finance drug habits. If someone on welfare is given drugs or inhales them because they're in a room where others are smoking drugs, then there is no justification for penalising them, is there? To me the glaring hypocrisy involved in a public representative getting drunk on the public purse, and then drink-driving while proposing laws that penalise welfare recipients for testing positive to drugs is indefensible. And the drink-driver is a far greater threat to public health and safety, wouldn't you agree? No, Tweak. The rational behind drug testing welfare recipients (and I'm using "welfare" specifically to the AFDC programs as they exist here) is not about people getting high on tax dollars. Pre-employment drug testing is pretty much the norm, random workplace screening is common and in a number of professions, drug testing is mandated by law. If the goal of these programs is to not only to issue poverty maintenance checks, but to assist the needy in getting onto their own feet, it is simply counter-productive not to impose drug testing there.

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