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what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 9:55:32 AM   
MyHazelLabyrinth


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Status: offline 		Ok, i'm seeing this alot all over the shop. And i don't get it

The curious mind that i have, i like to work things out, question them until they make sense to me, so i've researched it on the net but it sitll isn't making sense to me.

I guess i'm just posting here, because perhaps people may have varying definitions? Or would be able to explain what it means to them? If i'm being too vague, i'll be more clearer if replies come :)

thanks for reading :)

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 10:08:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me: It's a trance like state brought on by endorphins.

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 10:47:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		but are you then aware of your surroundings and yourself? I see subspace being given if a sub is being beaten (if they're a masochist so they're enjoying it) how does that actually happen...?

Another example of subspace being used is when a Dom directs a sub/slave/little and they get into their "subspace" and just go through with whatever it is, no hesitation, no nothing.
How do you know that you are in subspace to when you arent?
Is it bad if you arent in subspace? is there a time when you are supposed to?
Let me know at anytime when i'm asking too many questions :)

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 10:52:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Subspace is a state of euphoria produced by the effects of a large amount of endorphins in the bloodstream. What are endorphins you ask? They are the body's natural pain killer, produced in circumstances to combat stress, pain, or any number of stimuli. They have been compared to a natural form of morphine, to give a comparison.

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 11:51:03 AM   
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Subspace is a state of euphoria produced by the effects of a large amount of endorphins in the bloodstream. What are endorphins you ask? They are the body's natural pain killer, produced in circumstances to combat stress, pain, or any number of stimuli. They have been compared to a natural form of morphine, to give a comparison.
Yup...aka as "Runner's High".


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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 4:13:19 PM   
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Is it bad if you arent in subspace? is there a time when you are supposed to?


No, it's not bad, and forget about "supposed to". What matters is that you're enjoying yourself.

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 4:53:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		subspace for me is that floaty feeling, a high from all the adrenaline and endorphins rushing into my system...basically a runner's high or also called an endorphin rush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphin


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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 5:03:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		OsideGirl, Darkfeather and littlewonder have already given very good descriptions of what subspace is, and their descriptions match my own experience.

For me it is very much associated with the endorphin rush from pain, although I have noticed that when I am playing with a long time play partner, it is possible to get there much more quickly. I am not sure exactly why this is - some learned brain pattern. But I can't generally get there entirely on my own without some stimulus (and that stimulus is generally pain). Again, just my experience.

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 5:59:23 PM   
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I have noticed that when I am playing with a long time play partner, it is possible to get there much more quickly.
I've also noticed that it can come on as a trained response from previous activities. IE: the music CD we play.


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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 6:07:58 PM   
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I've also noticed that it can come on as a trained response from previous activities. IE: the music CD we play.



YES, I had forgotten about music. I've had this experience before where just listening to music that we scene to definitely started me down the subspace path (although I would have to say I did not truly achieve subspace just from this), but music is very powerful that way.


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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 7:08:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's rare for me to get there through pain. I think it's happened once in 9 years. Usually bondage and sensory deprivation do this to me. I go nonverbal, I lose sense of time, and I'm not really aware of what's happening. Over the next few days memories begin to surface and then I ask him if this really happened the way I remember it.

He can ask me a question and I think I'm answering immediately and coherently but actually I say something nonsensical 20 minutes later.


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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 10:43:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because endorphins release from stimuli, they can come from literally anything. Yawning, dirty talk, even colors, can trigger endorphin release if you are wired that particular way. Its individual, and how you have trained your brain to react. As to when you know you are in subspace, remember its similar to morphine. The level of subspace you get to depends on how much endophins are released into the bloodstream. The brain itself cannot overdose on them, but you can "sink" deeper and stay under the effects longer. Endorphins are litterally used to get the body through tough times, when it is being challenged (pain, blood loss, stress, etc). The effects therefore counter usual symptoms of these, which are somewhat personal to the individual. They range from raised pain tolerance, giddiness, disconnection, dream state, etc.

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 11:01:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		In a word? Heaven. At least to me. I tend to get it from being bound, blindfolded, pain, and music that allows me to daydream. I can get lost in my own fantasies, and not even sexual ones.

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 11:31:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Subspace is an amazing high floaty feeling of pure awesome.

Its kind of like being buzzed while drinking, or that feeling when doing intense workouts...

But its this amazing unreal reality that just exists.

I usually get it through pain, or edgy, like needles, or fire...


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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 11:48:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		i don't get the same effect as runner high at all. (for me) Narcotic and non narcotic effect of euphoria, followed closely by a markedly decreased pain sensation and near apnea with respiration decreased to about 3-5 a minute for a couple of minutes, up to about 10-12 returning to normal after several minutes. Typical narcotic intoxication that is well known. Intense serenity, brain fog, i could never run with this. i am like jello. happy happy jello.

Bondage, pain activities, submission especially things i don't like, al preceded by euphoria (probably adrenalin) followed by the narcotic effect (endorphin) that is subspace. Think narcotic effects on the body/

After running or bicycling i get speedy, more energy, hyper. More like adrenalin, including a decreased appetite, more efficient metabolism. i can run or bike more and more-as long as i don't stop too long! Heart rate is higher, brain sharper, more accurate etc.
Feels nothing to me like subspace. But that is my experience. Remember Narcotic aka endorphin/enkephalin has a side effect of decreased respiration as a biochemical effect. it is a way to ID it actually, if you aren't sure. Narcotics depress respiration which is their greatest risk- though our bodies don't release it in a dangerous way. It is much deeper and more massive release of natural narcotic than adrenalin.

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 11:51:27 PM   
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i don't get the same effect as runner high at all. (for me) Narcotic and non narcotic effect of euphoria, followed closely by a markedly decreased pain sensation and near apnea with respiration decreased to about 3-5 a minute for a couple of minutes, up to about 10-12 returning to normal after several minutes. Typical narcotic intoxication that is well known. Intense serenity, brain fog, i could never run with this. i am like jello. happy happy jello.
Bondage, pain activities, submission especially things i don't like, al preceded by euphoria (probably adrenalin) followed by the narcotic effect (endorphin) that is subspace. Think narcotic effects on the body/
After running or bicycling i get speedy, more energy, hyper. More like adrenalin, including a decreased appetite, more efficient metabolism. i can run or bike more and more-as long as i don't stop too long! Heart rate is higher, brain sharper, more accurate etc.
Feels nothing to me like subspace. But that is my experience. Remember Narcotic aka endorphin/enkephalin has a side effect of decreased respiration as a biochemical effect. it is a way to ID it actually, if you aren't sure. Narcotics depress respiration which is their greatest risk- though our bodies don't release it in a dangerous way. It is much deeper and more massive release of natural narcotic than adrenalin.



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RE: what is subspace? - 1/19/2012 11:53:10 PM   
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i don't get the same effect as runner high at all. (for me) Narcotic and non narcotic effect of euphoria, followed closely by a markedly decreased pain sensation and near apnea with respiration decreased to about 3-5 a minute for a couple of minutes, up to about 10-12 returning to normal after several minutes. Typical narcotic intoxication that is well known. Intense serenity, brain fog, i could never run with this. i am like jello. happy happy jello.
Bondage, pain activities, submission especially things i don't like, al preceded by euphoria (probably adrenalin) followed by the narcotic effect (endorphin) that is subspace. Think narcotic effects on the body/
After running or bicycling i get speedy, more energy, hyper. More like adrenalin, including a decreased appetite, more efficient metabolism. i can run or bike more and more-as long as i don't stop too long! Heart rate is higher, brain sharper, more accurate etc.
Feels nothing to me like subspace. But that is my experience. Remember Narcotic aka endorphin/enkephalin has a side effect of decreased respiration as a biochemical effect. it is a way to ID it actually, if you aren't sure. Narcotics depress respiration which is their greatest risk- though our bodies don't release it in a dangerous way. It is much deeper and more massive release of natural narcotic than adrenalin.





forget this one it is a duplicate and i don't see a delete, but it's late and im half asleep

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/20/2012 8:23:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		this is because there are a crapload of ways endorphins are released into the body, ways they effect the brain, ways the brain interprets the sensations, etc. No two people probably experience the effects the same, simply because the brain is unique. But we can generalize some things, the "high" you get from physical activity, running, exercise, etc, can be put into a "tunnel effect" category. You get more focused on what you are doing, increased stamina, increased pain tolerance, etc. This is generally because the activity demands you need this perception to survive the activity. The high you get from pain, stress, trauma, is more akin to "time dilation", where things tend to slow down, get that drugged feeling, etc. This is also because the circumstances demand this perception. But as I said, each has their own experiences, and each enters these states differently, so generalizations are a bit hard

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/20/2012 8:31:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me my brain shuts off and my entire body becomes as sensitive as a nipple.

I don't get it from pain though, although a nice spanking gets me there faster by shutting off my brain faster.

you need trust and practice though.

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RE: what is subspace? - 1/20/2012 10:28:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I'm in subspace it feels like I'm floating in my mind. It takes a huge effort for me to talk depending on how deep I'm in it. I usually fall asleep while in it. My Master and I haven't delved into the pain side yet other than mild spankings so I don't know that type of feeling. I am eager to explore that though.

As far as relating it to runner's high...I've run two 10 mile courses and I have never felt this feeling by running. I'd be running 10 mile races every chance I could get if that were the case. Lol


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