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MissImmortalPain -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 3:12:39 PM)

Yeah, really, you bright and ever loved ray of sunshine. I'm pretty defensive about necrophilia, but I am neither a dead person or someone that fucks one. (what would you say here) Try thinking before you say something. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

By the way...you said something else up there that I agree with but just for fun I'm not going to tell you what it is.




Awareness -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 3:15:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain
Yeah, really, you bright and ever loved ray of sunshine. I'm pretty defensive about necrophilia, but I am neither a dead person or someone that fucks one. (what would you say here) Try thinking before you say something. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
Defensive?  So if someone posted something condemning the fucking of dead people, you'd be all up in arms about people's rights to fuck the dead?  That's both weird and creepy as hell.

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By the way...you said something else up there that I agree with but just for fun I'm not going to tell you what it is.
Oh, I couldn't give a fuck.  Your approval is completely irrelevant to me.




MissImmortalPain -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 3:18:35 PM)

Their right to do it? No. What should be done with them? Yes. You have me on the wrong side of the coin there...but it's not like you care.

As for my apporval...yes I know you don't care. That is why I think it's so nice that you keep commenting back to me.




MistrixMsE -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 3:47:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Excellent observation, Darling. Obsession does not allow for equilibrium.


That's true... which is why at first sign of obsessive behaviour in a pro client, I sit them down and have a conversation (off the clock of course) and explain that it isnt appropriate, and discuss why. If they appear to understand and accept the reality of the relationship ---and it is a relationship btw, I talk to my boys by email, twitter, and etc far more than I actually see them in person.. I know what happens in their lives, other relationships etc)-- I usually give them a cool down break.. a month or month and a half before accepting another session. If their behaviour goes awry again, they then need to move on to another dominant (pro or personal) because I cant/wont be party to that. Its also a safety concern for those of us who scene RT. Obsession can be dangerous.

There may be RT dominants that do prey on obsessive personalities and tendencies though... and if so.. I feel it is both dangerous and unhealthy... possibly for all involved. For all I know, I could be an aberration in not seeking that from my submissives. I own vanilla businesses & have outside income.. so my experience & take might be more unique than I realize... but I base it on my attitude & that of the other ladies I associate with on the pro side.  I wager its entirely the opposite for online only d types.. in those cases the obsession is necessary to keep the game in play... if it werent for the obsession, they probably wouldnt keep spending. Its in their best interests to hook them & keep them on the hook.

To the previous question of "do they really enjoy it"... in my case.. hell yes. I get to play with some of the best people on a level that is satisfying to both of us all over the world.. I meet people I might never otherwise meet, and many of them i socialize with on a vanilla level now. Personally I want my boys to be healthy, happy, and have satisfying relationships outside our kink play. When/if they feel uncomfortable playing because of a love interest, I celebrate it with them, and if they 'come out' to a new partner, they are always welcome to book a couples session where I can show her a few tricks to use at home. Some have happily taken me up on that. It makes me feel good that they trust me enough to do so.

There are a good lot of  my boys whom I consider friends. One of whom often takes both my personal boy & and I out when I am in town, after our session, and treats us to dinner and drinks on a grand ($300 bottle of wine) level. We've been talking via email all day.. because of a sad situation on my side.. my relationship is ending. We didnt discuss this via a dozen emails because said client has any interest in a relationship with me. Far from it. He ASKED how things were on that front, because when he asked why my personal wasnt with me the last time I visited his city, I told him the truth.. That things had changed.. and it was time to end it.. sadly. He showed concern for me, on a human level... and it was very kind. I appreciate his friendship.. and i never would have him as a friend if he hadn't been a client first.

My personal & I have been in a 7 yr 24/7 ds relationship... by no means am I not fully responsible for him. He lives in my home, and does not work outside of it. In fact, though we are transitioning out of this relationship, he has been in my care for some time.. so I've given him a year to fully separate from me, to make plans and work out his future life. He is getting several thousand dollars to walk away with, along with everything he came into the relationship with, and everything i have bought him since we've been together. Since deciding its time to end it, I've still bought him new shoes, cologne, etc as he needs them.. my commitment has been for the long term, and yes, its still very emotional, for both of us. Its just the right thing to do.. and truly is in his best interests as well as my own. We don't play together anymore.. nor much else... its just too raw of a space for either of us right now. If I didnt take pro sessions, I would have no outlet for my kinks at all. Even when we did play, his interests did not run as extreme as mine, and he isnt into impact play. So if it weren't for pro-sessions, our DS relationship may not have been as satisfying as it was until this point... and some of my needs wouldnt have been met.

Yes, I am saying that indeed, I do get needs met in pro-sessions.. they aren't sexual needs... but they most certainly are personal & psychological needs. It may not be that way for all pros... some may indeed be in it entirely for the $ and have no interest in it on a personal level. I'll wager that a many of the 19 year old commercial domination house girls come into it that way.. because they look cute in the outfit and it seems more in control than say stripping... but I am sure some of them too either find a personal interest, or had one to begin with.

To paint an entire occupation with one broad stroke is silly... thats like saying all lawyers are money hungry scum. Many are indeed, but I've known a good lot who work at legal aid and work for shit $ to help people because they DO care.. and its not about the $... its about what they can give back. I think most of those who issue angry anti anything missives in such extreme tones have either a personal axe to grind, serious flaws in their critical thinking skills, mental issues or a combination of the three. Or maybe they are all just tea-baggers.. same difference... [:D]

(edited two words for clarity)




RedMagic1 -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 3:55:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MistrixMsE
In fact, though we are transitioning out of this relationship, he has been in my care for some time.. so I've given him a year to fully separate from me, to make plans and work out his future life. He is getting several thousand dollars to walk away with, along with everything he came into the relationship with, and everything i have bought him since we've been together. Since deciding its time to end it, I've still bought him new shoes, cologne, etc as he needs them.. my commitment has been for the long term, and yes, its still very emotional, for both of us. Its just the right thing to do.. and truly is in his best interests as well as my own. We don't play together anymore.. nor much else... its just too raw of a space for either of us right now. If I didnt take pro sessions, I would have no outlet for my kinks at all. Even when we did play, his interests did not run as extreme as mine, and he isnt into impact play. So if it weren't for pro-sessions, our DS relationship may not have been as satisfying as it was until this point... and some of my needs wouldnt have been met.

Yes, I am saying that indeed, I do get needs met in pro-sessions.. they aren't sexual needs... but they most certainly are personal & psychological needs.

That is one of the best posts I've ever read on these boards. Respect.

Here's hoping 2012 works out very well for both of you.




xXLithiumXx -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:00:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain


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ORIGINAL: xXLithiumXx
When I did this, I would listen to what they wanted, and if it was something I just wasn't into, I wouldn't do it. I felt that doing so would be giving them less than what they had paid for, and I wasn't out to rip anyone off.


Thank you for pointing out something I think a lot of people don't understand. A lot of dommes do just say no when asked for something they don't enjoy or feel they are not doing well.



Well, I think that is where self control comes in. I mean, listen, you have to know when it is just not your thing, and you have to know that you won't be giving your all to it.

I mean, you wouldn't go to work half dressed, so you shouldn't go into a session, particularly one someone is paying for and has set expectations for and half ass your way along. Everyone knows what's up in that situation. It's painfully obvious...and I feel potentially dangerous.

I knew a Domme that did medical sessions, and claimed she knew all about them. Turns out, she hated them and knew nothing about them. I believe she damned near ripped a man's ureter out.

I don't want that on my plate.





xXLithiumXx -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:11:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MistrixMsE

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Excellent observation, Darling. Obsession does not allow for equilibrium.


That's true... which is why at first sign of obsessive behaviour in a pro client, I sit them down and have a conversation (off the clock of course) and explain that it isnt appropriate, and discuss why. If they appear to understand and accept the reality of the relationship ---and it is a relationship btw, I talk to my boys by email, twitter, and etc far more than I actually see them in person.. I know what happens in their lives, other relationships etc)-- I usually give them a cool down break.. a month or month and a half before accepting another session. If their behaviour goes awry again, they then need to move on to another dominant (pro or personal) because I cant/wont be party to that. Its also a safety concern for those of us who scene RT. Obsession can be dangerous.







That's awesome.





PeonForHer -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:22:38 PM)

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He ASKED how things were on that front, because when he asked why my personal wasnt with me the last time I visited his city, I told him the truth.. That things had changed.. and it was time to end it.. sadly. He showed concern for me, on a human level... and it was very kind. I appreciate his friendship.. and i never would have him as a friend if he hadn't been a client first.


That reminds me of a little hobby I had, when I first joined this site.  This was deliberately to contact those women who had the most forbidding photos and profiles - lifestyle or pro - and chat away about anything at all other than D/s.  I wanted to see what they were like 'outside of their personas' - to see if they knew how to connect as humans.  Most did; a few didn't - and they gave me the shivers.  Mostly, I guess I just found them bleak and depressing. 

I don't think I could ever employ a pro-domme's services, for many reasons.  But I do think that, were I to do so, I'd be able to work out pretty swiftly if she was 'wrong'.   




Awareness -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:25:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain
As for my apporval...yes I know you don't care. That is why I think it's so nice that you keep commenting back to me.
That's the second amateur gambit you've tried in two posts.  You've been dealing with male subs for too long.  It's made you soft.




MissImmortalPain -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:29:33 PM)

Pardon? I really do like that you comment back. As I tried to tell you before you and I agree on many things.....we just have a bad way of wording them at each other.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:42:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

[That reminds me of a little hobby I had, when I first joined this site.  This was deliberately to contact those women who had the most forbidding photos and profiles - lifestyle or pro - and chat away about anything at all other than D/s.  I wanted to see what they were like 'outside of their personas' - to see if they knew how to connect as humans.  Most did; a few didn't - and they gave me the shivers.  Mostly, I guess I just found them bleak and depressing. 

 


Good heavens was I one of these? EEEp.




MistrixMsE -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:47:21 PM)

Thank you RedMagic1, I hope so too.. for both of us. 




PeonForHer -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:48:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Good heavens was I one of these? EEEp.


No you weren't, Lady Hib.  Jeez!




LadyHibiscus -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 4:49:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Good heavens was I one of these? EEEp.


No you weren't, Lady Hib.  Jeez!



Well, you made that comment about my "forbidding" look in those old pics... and you know it all turned out well, didn't it, Darling!




xssve -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 6:13:33 PM)

What's wrong with fucking dead people anyway? It's not like they're complaining about it.




xXLithiumXx -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 6:15:33 PM)

The question was posed by some poly friends of mine-by the husband to the wife and his girlfriend; If he were to die, would they 1) make a vibe or dildo from his ashes as he wished to be cremated, and 2) would they share it?

I am not sure that is a question I ever want to hear pondered out loud again.




Yachtie -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 6:16:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xssve

What's wrong with fucking dead people anyway? It's not like they're complaining about it.


You can really do a decent skull fuck on some of them too. [8D]




xXLithiumXx -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 6:19:43 PM)

I have always wondered if a skull would roll like a bowling ball.

I thought one year for Halloween it would be cool to have like a skull bowling thing, but we had some medical issues and didn't get to find out.




MissImmortalPain -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 6:42:59 PM)

They don't have any fight in them.




MissImmortalPain -> RE: ProDoms are fake? (2/1/2012 6:45:31 PM)

No, they won't, unless they are fully fleshed and you screw the jaw shut. If you do it any other way parts will either fall off or throw off the spin.




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