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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 10:57:38 AM   
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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 10:59:20 AM   
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such as?

Pick any of his beliefs.

There are a large number of people who disagree with it.

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 11:01:54 AM   
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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 11:11:09 AM   
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Such as his belief that he is Barack Obama.  I see what you mean....




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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 11:27:25 AM   
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I wonder if they pause for even one minute to think of the many families in this country whose children have to go without healthcare.


This reminds me to Google the movie that was on when I was at the gym yesterday. It's a sad commentary on the healthcare system when movies like this are even conceived.

Found it - John Q.

John Quincy Archibald (Denzel Washington) is with his wife Denise (Kimberly Elise) at his son's baseball game. As his son, Michael (Daniel E. Smith), runs around the bases and heads to second he grabs his chest and collapses. After a series of tests at the hospital John is informed by Dr. Raymond Turner (James Woods) and Rebecca Payne (Anne Heche), a hospital administrator, that Michael has an enlarged heart and will need a transplant.

However because the company he works for dropped John from full-time (40+ hours) to part-time (20 hours), his health insurance has been changed from a PPO to an HMO, and the new policy does not cover the surgery, leaving them to raise 30% ($75,000) of the $250,000 in order to get their son's name on the list of likely recipients of an available heart.

The family tries to raise the money by selling some of their possessions and helping out their neighbors, but are only able to raise about a third of the necessary payment. Eventually the hospital gets tired of waiting for payments and decides to release Michael. John's wife Denise tells him to do something about the situation after the hospital tells her about Michael's release.

Unwilling to let his only child die, John decides it's time to take drastic measures. John walks into the hospital emergency room with a handgun and begins a hostage situation. He gathers the hostages and sets his demands: his son's name on the recipient list as soon as possible.

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 11:43:03 AM   
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I think it's great that Santorum is speaking up for his beliefs and that he wants to preserve his culture. Just don't force it on me.

Well he is running for a public office,in large part on a platform of his beliefs.....so in effect he IS trying to force it on you....and me,hell all of us.
Hence my despising him in the first place....lol.

But you voted for Obama, who has certain beliefs that many disagree with ... but you are fine with him forcing those beliefs done others' throats? 

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Well what the fuck Firm,you went there so,though it is a huge derail I will respond.The "beliefs" you are referring to with Obama is,in fact,his political ideology,no? Well isn't that what elections are about? One side wins,and if they win large enough,they "force" their ideology down the losers throats.
So far so good,after all ,elections have consequences,no?
Now the "beliefs" I was referring to are Santurom's religious,and rightly speaking (under our system) private beliefs.He ,erroneously in my mind,feels it is a public office holders duty to return this country to it's moral center,in other words his private beliefs stuffed down our public throats.
And yes I have a big problem with that.
Seems you have issues separating the two distinct different spheres.Perhaps you should work on that,I would suggest Santurom work on it as well...but he is a culture warrior,and way beyond redemption

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 12:24:55 PM   
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I think it's great that Santorum is speaking up for his beliefs and that he wants to preserve his culture. Just don't force it on me.

Well he is running for a public office,in large part on a platform of his beliefs.....so in effect he IS trying to force it on you....and me,hell all of us.
Hence my despising him in the first place....lol.

But you voted for Obama, who has certain beliefs that many disagree with ... but you are fine with him forcing those beliefs done others' throats? 

Well what the fuck Firm,you went there so,though it is a huge derail I will respond.The "beliefs" you are referring to with Obama is,in fact,his political ideology,no? Well isn't that what elections are about? One side wins,and if they win large enough,they "force" their ideology down the losers throats.

So far so good,after all ,elections have consequences,no?

Now the "beliefs" I was referring to are Santurom's religious,and rightly speaking (under our system) private beliefs.He ,erroneously in my mind,feels it is a public office holders duty to return this country to it's moral center,in other words his private beliefs stuffed down our public throats.

And yes I have a big problem with that.

Seems you have issues separating the two distinct different spheres.Perhaps you should work on that,I would suggest Santurom work on it as well...but he is a culture warrior,and way beyond redemption

A little touchy there, it seems, mike.

Has Santorum proposed a bill to require the conversion of all US citizens to his religion? Do away with the separation of Church and State?  Said that the US needs to junk the Constitution, and become a theocracy?

No?

Or does he just let you know where his moral code comes from?  You do want someone with a moral code in office, don't you?

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 12:47:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes,he lets me know where his moral code comes from,and yes he has suggested certain things based on that moral code...for instance there is his stance on marriage and contraceptives that I believe cross the line.
And no,not touchy at all...but now it is your turn,what beliefs of President Obama's do you feel that a) contravene the Constitution and b) he has jammed down your throat ?

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 1:02:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The best thing I can say about Santorum is that he publically expresses his beliefs and he remains consistant on those beliefs...

And that is why the majority of the American voters would refuse to vote for him to be elected to the office of the President of the United States - because his consistant, publically expressed beliefs are un-American, un-Constitutional and are instead the beliefs of an extremist, fundamentalist Roman Catholic theocracy.

Santorum is a wanna-be Tomás de Torquemada (Grand Inquisitor of Spain from 1482-1498) in a sweater vest - and he doesn't hide it. I give him brownie points for being honest about it - but I would never vote for him.

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 1:07:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not so sure about even that Fight,he says he is a conservative,yet he never ran into pork money he wasn't willing to spend.
Seems his "conservative" stance is one made up wholly of convenience.

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 1:10:00 PM   
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I wonder if they pause for even one minute to think of the many families in this country whose children have to go without healthcare.


This reminds me to Google the movie that was on when I was at the gym yesterday. It's a sad commentary on the healthcare system when movies like this are even conceived.

Found it - John Q.


Good movie. There's also a great documentary about the corrupt US health care system called Sicko.


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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 1:23:58 PM   
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Not so sure about even that Fight,he says he is a conservative,yet he never ran into pork money he wasn't willing to spend.
Seems his "conservative" stance is one made up wholly of convenience.

His publically expressed positions on Griswold v. Connecticut and Roe v. Wade and on the Freedom of Religion found in the 1st Amendment (Santorum vs. JFK)* are clearly based of extremist Roman Catholic theology - not on the Constitution or American values.

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Rick Santorum, Houston, TX 2010 -

John Kennedy chose not just to dispel fear; he chose to expel faith. Let me quote from the beginning of Kennedy's speech: 'I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.' The idea of strict or absolute separation of church and state is not and never was the American model...John Kennedy's statement was a radical statement and it did great damage...Kennedy's attempt to reassure Protestants that the Catholic Church would not control the government and suborn its independence advanced a philosophy of strict separation that would create a purely secular public square cleansed of all religious wisdom and the voice of religious people of all faiths...Kennedy laid the foundation for attacks on religious freedom and freedom of speech by the secular left and its political arms like the ACLU and the People for the American Way.


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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 1:26:46 PM   
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I wonder if they pause for even one minute to think of the many families in this country whose children have to go without healthcare.


This reminds me to Google the movie that was on when I was at the gym yesterday. It's a sad commentary on the healthcare system when movies like this are even conceived.

Found it - John Q.


Missed this one. This is the thing. Conservatives don't seem to appreciate that if you push people to the brink on issues like this, bad things will, in fact, happen. As a community we can't continue to ignore the "have-nots", however one defines that. People talk all the time about how they would kill someone who harmed their child. The movie plot seems out there when I read your synopsis, but then I stop and think, well in some ways, it's not so out there, is it? If society pushes enough people to the brink, there will be bad consequences.

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 1:31:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah like the convenience store worker who robbed a bank for $1 because he needed health care and thought he could get it in jail.

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 3:43:56 PM   
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Santorum is a wanna-be Tomás de Torquemada (Grand Inquisitor of Spain from 1482-1498) in a sweater vest - and he doesn't hide it.


This would be so much funnier if it were not true ...

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 5:21:14 PM   
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Has Santorum proposed a bill to require the conversion of all US citizens to his religion? Do away with the separation of Church and State?  Said that the US needs to junk the Constitution, and become a theocracy?

He has supported many bills that erode the seperation of church and state or are simply unconstitutional on the face.

For instance
Santorum Amendment (blatantly unconstitutional)

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RE: I despise Santorum - 1/30/2012 6:34:41 PM   
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... but you are fine with him forcing those beliefs done others' throats?


Well speaking purely on my own behalf of course.... I'm a Dom forcing stuff down the throats of others is standard operating procedure in my home.
And forthe most part they say "thankyou"


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