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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/4/2004 8:06:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: TongueSlave

This is a great site for people to explore BDSM and possibly meet somone. It sickens me to see some women out here pretending to be doms under the pretext to get guys to pay them "tributes" to prove they are worthy or to be "money slaves." These women will never meet you and will never engage in an ongoing on-line relationship with you. Why do guys fall for this? Anyone care to comment?

Point one: Was this thread started as a joke to start a gender war?

Point two: P.T. Barnum - There's a sucker born every minute.

The lengths some CEO's will go to in order to support their 18 year old Domme's financial submission demands... just look at what happened to Enron and Tyco, and who knows what Martha has been up to?

It looks like this whole thread has shifted into mainstream BDSM lifestyle with plenty of input/opinion from, and about, established Mistress/Dommes, regarding the subject of financial submission. However, that is not the question presented (as I read it), as it had to do with pretenders... fakes and wannabes who are often found in very low age brackets (18-low 20's).

Can pretender Domme's take care of a submissive's needs? They have no interest in doing anything but taking care of the submissive's excess ca$h... nothing else! If the entire relationship consists of nothing but financial submission, then the Domme in question is most likely a pretender... aka simply a financial predator.

Why do guys fall for this? (see P.T. Barnum quote above) Urgency, desperation, foolishness, impulsiveness, knee-jerk reactions, devil made me do it, wishful thinking, gullibility, self hatred... and millions more reasons, but Mr Barnum simplified it completely and said it best.

Financial submission demanded by a pretender, fake, wannabe is wrong. A better oxymoronish label would be "submissive abuse". It actually abuses the submissive by extortion/coercion, does not satisfy any other needs, and is often a "turn-key 'store front' Domme Shop" using form letters, etc... but Mr Barnum's correctness ensures there will always be takers on both sides.

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/4/2004 11:54:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TongueSlave
(snip) ...It sickens me to see some women out here pretending to be doms... (snip)

Speak of the devil:

Point three: If you meant pretending to be Dommes, we just had one blow through here. I believe her name was "Her-ee-cane Revolta", or something like that. She had some serious issues but never asked for money... then again we didn't get to know her that long either?

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/5/2004 1:34:08 AM

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well as a Lifestyler first , Pro Domme second, I will say this.

There are many great points throughout this thread.. but as it was stated above the original topic seemed strayed from.

that being.

quote:

ORIGINAL: TongueSlave

This is a great site for people to explore BDSM and possibly meet somone. It sickens me to see some women out here pretending to be doms under the pretext to get guys to pay them "tributes" to prove they are worthy or to be "money slaves." These women will never meet you and will never engage in an ongoing on-line relationship with you. Why do guys fall for this? Anyone care to comment?

Now on this subject, I AM a Domme.. I am 25. to some that is not enough experience and that is fine.. but I have 7 years under My belt. I do not pretend to be anything I am not.. nor is it just about the money. I happen to make money doing something I enjoy. and this is sporadic at best.. I have my few regulars that come over and it helps me get a new toy or some such thing..*shrugs* I am not expecting these people to support Me. and all but one of the people that have visited with Me come to my more private parties.. being a part time Pro has allowed Me to meet some great people I might not have otherwise met. *shrugs*

As far as the Tribute. it is not a thing to prove they are worthy.. its a fee for My space, My time and My attention. I have tailored this Tribute to each of My regulars.. as I dont do the same thing for each of them. If this makes Me a predator.. well then so be it I suppose.

On a last note of the original posting before I continue to the others, I wll say this..

I will not commit to an online reltaionship with anyone tributed sub, or whatever they may be.. online relationships to me are boring and pointless.. now if you mean will I just continue to speak with you online, of course. but it will not go beyond that.. and I guess I fail to see how that make me a bad person because I find no peronsal fulfillment from having some online sub or slave.. *shrugs*

now to other things.

beyond what amounts of money I ocassionaly make as a Pro Domme.. I do not keep money slaves.. for I feel there is a big difference though I could be wrong on this..

to me one who just comes over for Tribute is looking for a no strings time and is willing to pay for it..

a money slave is one who regularly hands over a certain amount of money to you whether they are live in or not. This being done to prove they can support the habits of a POSSIBLE future Master/Mistress.

That is not something I hold to. For example, once My fiance and I find a female sub for our house.. we have it noted that she MAY work IF she chooses. that is one choice left to her.. and while ocassionaly we may ask that she help with food or expenses she uses up around the house, I dont find that unreasonable..

however what I dont want is to take her check from her, spend it as I see fit.. subbie or not he/she works for that money and made it. it is not my place to take it. *shrugs* I will not argue this point it simply is.

plus the way I see if. if said subbie wants to spend their money. I dont want to deal with the hassle of having to have him/her ask me about it. lol.. its theirs.. i dont need to know where its going.. but I have different standards than many.. *shrugs*

so these are my thoughts.. do with em what you will

MP

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/7/2004 1:19:17 PM

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how about extortion. i read a Dommes profile who said all, not some, all slaves living away from Her should send Her 50 dollars, if they where a true slave then they would send it. i have been submissive since the doctor pulled me out and spanked me but then i'm not a money slave. put a whip in Her hand and see if She can use it` maybe to pull Your wallet out

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/7/2004 3:51:09 PM

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teases and users should be lynched.

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/7/2004 3:57:27 PM

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I see no problem with pro Dommes making money by plying their trade. In fact there's something kind of appealing about that lol. The idea of demanding money just to talk with a sub online, or to meet them for a cup of coffee is repugnant to me. But then again if the sub is willing to hand over the cash then he's got to be getting something out of it. I had assumed that a money slave was someone who let the Dom/me handle his/her finances, not someone who just handed over wads of money for personal amusement. Learn something new everyday

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/9/2004 3:02:38 AM

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Power is seen differently by Men and Woman.
Woman tend to feel Power in having Mental Control
Men tend to feel Power in having Financial Control
sumtimes this rule does switch and the oppisite is true.
When a Man controls a Womans mental state They feel
in control.
When a Woman controls a Mans Financial state They feel
in control.
When a man gives up his financial Control he is in his mind
giving up his power.
When a woman gives up her mental control she is in her mind
giving up her power.
This is what a TPE consists of with in the thought process of a money slave.
You will notice that there are about 25 to 1 the amount of male money slaves to female ones and the same holds true for the amount of Females whom will take charge of such a slave to a Male because Men gain more Power in controling mentally then financially, Woman gain more Power in controling financially then mentally. This is a Dominants view of the question based off of years of experiance in dealing with both male and female financial concensual slavery for the forfiet of power, and for the forfiet of mental power and being in My Own personal Life.

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/9/2004 11:43:20 AM

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Gosh real life rears its ugly head, again!........a sucker born every min. , huh? Who would think that some on-line might be fakes?
Enjoy your wonder-filled day,
MDS

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/13/2004 7:21:51 PM

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Again how about extortion. I read a Dommes profile who said all, not some, all slaves living away from Her should send Her 50 dollars, if they where a true slave then they would send it. If 100 cracked out men sent that, ohhh She would be rich. but then Love comes in different ways, shape and colors~ i have been submissive since the doctor pulled me out and spanked me but then i'm not a money slave. put a whip in Her hand and see if She can use it maybe to pull ~~~~~> Your wallet out

sincerely, knees2You

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/13/2004 10:33:50 PM

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knees, what are you smoking?

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/14/2004 12:51:32 AM

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I am a pro Dom, and I get a big thrill that someone would be so devoted to me to send me money before they even meet me. Of course I always reward good obedeint slaves, but I know there are alot of scammers out there. Most of the time you can tell by going by your fist instinct. If you are not good with reading someone, it would be best to see if the missterss, goddesss, ect., stays on the phone w/ you for over 10 min. before they encourage you to send money. I personally and professionally deal w/ slaves of all types, and love all my slaves, in different ways of course. If a slave is willing to show so much devotion that he would send me a gift prior to our metting he would be the most deserving to serve and worship me in any way I chose of course. GODDESS MARISSA Las Vegas (edited... please dont post telephone numbers) You have permission to call me if your a respectful & obeident slave that is looking to change his faith to the GODDESS MARISSA!

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/14/2004 1:09:19 AM

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I think Marissa is smoking the same thing knees is. And a clever way to troll I might add.

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/16/2004 5:19:35 PM

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I do not believe in asking for gifts before I even see someone. If I have had a session with a slave an develope some type of relationship, then I would feel more comfortable sending my pics or panties to them. If a slave offers to send contributions, prior to meeting I will accept.

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 4/17/2004 6:47:31 AM

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quote:

I am a 21 year old southern fem looking for a submissive for a cuckold relationship. Any males interested should contact me with info such as age, marital status, and areas of bdsm that interested you. Financial domination is a must.

p.s. I had another name on this site, it was deleted so contact me here.

I just read this profile. You notice the line "Financial domination is a must." This kind of rubs me the wrong way. This doesn't at all sound like tribute, but more like a way to keep from having a real job.

Just my .02

Terry

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 9/18/2004 10:49:35 PM

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Well, first of all, I'll apologize for bumping such an old thread. But hey, it was linked from another one and this thread was more appropriate to share my experiences, so...

I've been contact with 2 of what one might call "money slaves". One is contracted to me, the other not. In the former case, I am to meet him occasionally and talk on the phone as well as indulge some of his kinks, which I myself do NOT share. How is that different from a regular pro session? The contract he wrote - he owes me a regular fee as tribute no matter how long it's been since we last met. The contract has a dozen loopholes for me to exploit as well. Was any of this my idea? No! Believe it or not. It was what he wanted and he wouldn't be talked down from that. Apparently that's as far into total enslavement he can take his life right now and he would like to go deeper, such as being kept in a cage in my home and leaving only to work and give me his pay. Furthermore, if I don't exploit the loopholes he makes suggestions - "Goddess, I don't feel that I begged you properly, would you accept more money?" - his very words.

The second one I refused because I wouldn't get the chance to meet him until April (possibly). If he can travel to my state to meet me then, fine, I'll be his domme and CB keyholder for a weekly tribute. But I'm not going to squeeze him for every cent I can get like he asked me to. I'm very poor, but things aren't quite so bad that I'll do that (although they have been in the past).

I guess one might wonder whether I approve or disapprove of dommes taking money slaves. I don't either. It's not my place to pass judgment on them nor any of my business as long as what's going on is completely consensual between all those involved. It's neither right not wrong as it's being enjoyed by both.

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 9/19/2004 8:33:03 AM

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ok.. I want to throw this tidbit out for everyone to nibble on. What about Blackmail? Doesn't it figure into this topic somehow? There are those who Blackmail others to obtain thier financial tributes and those who want the threat of being exposed as part of thier kink. I for one have had Sub's try to blackmail me threaten to expose my lifestyle if I didn't give them play they wanted. (it didn't work... cause in their case they wern't willing to be exposed themselves). Furthermore, I'm out, so it didn't hold much threat. But I have had numerous people ask me to black mail them, and take photos of them and hold them over their heads. I for one have a bit of an issue with this being that blackmail and extortion is illegal. But I'm sure there are others who are ethically challenged who would be happy to comply.

any thoughts?

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 9/19/2004 11:09:03 AM

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Hello,

First I'll address the original question here. . .

quote:

Money Slaves-Why would you be one?

The reasons are similar as to why people are masochists, sadists, key holders, cucks, at al. They are "money slaves" because they enjoy it. As an aside, I'll also throw in that "money slaves" that I have encountered are 1) pretty rare 2) they are very discreet about it (meaning their names are generally "ATMcashpiggy") 3) They generally like to contact people istead of being solicited. I think "financial masochism" falls under the umbrella of humiliation. From what I've gleened from them, they enjoy the feeling of giving up their cash and 1) getting almost nothing in return 2) made to feel stupid for turning over their cash 3) it's even BETTER for a lot of them if you spend that money on your boyfriend (a lot of them also claim to be cucks)

Let's be honest here. . .the original poster wasn't interested in a true answer to this question. The thread he/she posted was already loaded with bias. They were simply trying to start another thread to get everyone's panties in a wad. It worked. He was jaded and most people fed into it like dancing monkeys. He apparantly didn't care TOO much for it. . .since this one his one and only post and didn't care to repy any further. I see these types of threads for what it is.

As far as the question of "blackmail". . .let's get to the bottom line. I'll take it that not too many Dominas are going around offering blackmail services to boys. Even IF they were doing that. . .they are offering a SERVICE for which the boys concents. "Yeah, I've thought about that and I think I'd like to be blackmailed." But more often than not, it is the boy that approaches the Domina asking for blackmail. Let me draw an analogy here. Yes, blackmail is illegal. But so is assault and battery. I'm sure a LOT of partake in S&M which involves for the most part. . ."assault and battery" (as far as the law is concerned). . .Anyone with half a brain knows where I'm going here. You yourself may be partaking in what "ethically" and "legally" might be considered illegal in the eyes of society at large. But since it is YOU. . .you are above reproach. . .let's just keep our focus on those yucky financial domination and blackmail people because THEY are fucked up. . .never mind the fact that I just caned a boy til he had welts all over him. . .and some of them even bled. That is DIFFERENT!!! Because *I* do it!!!

And when we start nit picking about how "ethical" a fetish or kink is. . .we need to start looking into the whole fetish scene a little more broadly. . .and these SAME questions can be applied to things that you yourself may enjoy.

cheers

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 9/19/2004 12:56:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TongueSlave

This is a great site for people to explore BDSM and possibly meet somone. It sickens me to see some women out here pretending to be doms under the pretext to get guys to pay them "tributes" to prove they are worthy or to be "money slaves." These women will never meet you and will never engage in an ongoing on-line relationship with you. Why do guys fall for this? Anyone care to comment?

Some men choose to be Sugar Daddys. I'd guess it was the same thing really. As for why the women accept tributes or Sugar Daddys... I wouldn't be too quick to pass up one myself.

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 9/19/2004 1:01:14 PM

Laura

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Same goes for grown women? So, lets say I tell a woman that I met on the internet and happens to be taken with me that if she is really my slave she will send me half of her paycheck each week to prove her loyalty. If she doesn't then she isn't really my slave and I won't have any more to do with her because she has failed in her slavery and isn't worthy to kneel at my feet. That's OK because she's a grown woman and should know better?

Take care of yourself.

Leonidas

Yes, she would be a sucker. Being female doesn't mean we weren't born with brains. Why is a man different in this situation? Do you see all women as helpless morons who must be saved from their own stupidity?

Your own sig line says it all... Take care of yourself.

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RE: Money Slaves-Why would you be one? - 9/20/2004 6:24:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Laura

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
Same goes for grown women?

Yes, she would be a sucker. Being female doesn't mean we weren't born with brains. Why is a man different in this situation? Do you see all women as helpless morons who must be saved from their own stupidity?

Some of us just have a soft spot for the opposite sex. We see one of the opposite sex exploited by one of our own, and it really upsets us, because we know when one of us has acted inexcusably. We may even feel a bit of collective guilt over it, or collective responsibility for it. That's why we have the expression "sympathy sex." I know that neither gender has a monopoly on it. And it's not a matter of thinking either sex superior.

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