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fucktoyprincess -> RE: Should she be allowed to run? (2/2/2012 8:25:10 AM)
DaddySatyr, yes agreed. While English is my first language, I speak multiple languages. And I have no objection to people wanting to learn and speak as many languages as they want (in their homes, in their communities, when they travel, etc.) But I honestly think it is absurd for people to NOT want to learn the predominant language in a country. Over 80% of Americans speak English. Around 10% of the population speak Spanish (and many of those speak English, also). And, according to statistics, most Amercian-born Spanish speakers do, in fact, speak, English. So, at the end of the day, only a small percentage of people in the country who were born here speak ONLY Spanish. I just do not see why one needs to cater to such a small percent. And to be fair, if we cater to the small percent of American born who speak ONLY Spanish, then why are we also not catering to numerous other language speakers who are in this country? What stops some other small minority from then claiming they have the right to serve in public office even though they only speak a language other than English. Why can't some some person, of say, Nepalese or Tibetan background, claim they have the same right to run, and conduct official business in their language. I see this as a slippery slope issue. In my mind, the FAIREST solution is to stick to English as our language of politics. If we start catering to the Spanish speakers who want to serve in political office, I want someone to explain to me why someone who speaks any other minority language in the U.S. should not be given the same right? And then suddenly we are going to have city councils in some parts of the country where the council members are not able to speak to each other at all. Does anyone really think good government can come from this??

truckinslave -> RE: Should she be allowed to run? (2/2/2012 8:53:01 AM)
Several posters before me have commented to the effect that she must have been incredibly lazy not to have learned English while growing up here; it has further been suggested that perhaps she deliberately avoided learning English. It is not apparent to me that she was raised here, or for that matter has lived here as an adult for any considerable period of time. Anchor baby?

igor2003 -> RE: Should she be allowed to run? (2/2/2012 9:16:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Several posters before me have commented to the effect that she must have been incredibly lazy not to have learned English while growing up here; it has further been suggested that perhaps she deliberately avoided learning English. It is not apparent to me that she was raised here, or for that matter has lived here as an adult for any considerable period of time. Anchor baby? According to this vid clip she was born in a border town in Arizona but spent most of her first 17 years in Mexico. http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/poll-should-esl-speaker-alejandrina-cabrera-be-banned-from-election-in-predominately-latino-town

truckinslave -> RE: Should she be allowed to run? (2/2/2012 9:18:21 AM)
And again I guess right. TY Yet another reason to end automatic birthright citizenship.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Should she be allowed to run? (2/2/2012 9:25:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Several posters before me have commented to the effect that she must have been incredibly lazy not to have learned English while growing up here; it has further been suggested that perhaps she deliberately avoided learning English. It is not apparent to me that she was raised here, or for that matter has lived here as an adult for any considerable period of time. Anchor baby? According to this vid clip she was born in a border town in Arizona but spent most of her first 17 years in Mexico. http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/poll-should-esl-speaker-alejandrina-cabrera-be-banned-from-election-in-predominately-latino-town There are people in this country who grew up in other countries and came here as adults who have learned to speak English. One is perfectly capable of learning English as an adult. It's not as if one can only learn English before the age of 18. So does it matter at all where she was raised? In my mind, no. I still maintain that the easiest way for her to participate politically is to just spend the time to learn English now. She can postpone running for office until she has learned enough English to be a full participant on the council. She is totally free to learn English. They teach English classes in Mexico, too.

thishereboi -> RE: Should she be allowed to run? (2/2/2012 9:32:15 AM)
quote: She can improve her English skills if she wants AND then run for this office. I would think that would work, but first she is going to have to want to. Personally, I can't imagine growing up in a country and not wanting to learn the language.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Should she be allowed to run? (2/2/2012 10:34:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess I see this as a slippery slope issue. In my mind, the FAIREST solution is to stick to English as our language of politics. If we start catering to the Spanish speakers who want to serve in political office, I want someone to explain to me why someone who speaks any other minority language in the U.S. should not be given the same right? And then suddenly we are going to have city councils in some parts of the country where the council members are not able to speak to each other at all. Does anyone really think good government can come from this?? See the part in red? How about: "And then, suddenly, we're going to have city councils and township boards that *only* speak in foreign languages and native-born *English* speakers (who should not be required to learn a foreign language) will either not be getting serviced by their local government or will not be able to run for office because the council won't be "doing business" in English, anymore. It's absurd! quote: Original President Theodore Roosevelt "In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the mans becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. "If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. "We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, and American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding house; and we have room for but one soul [sic] loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people." I blame Benjamin Franklin, that scurrilous, drunken oaf. He was the one that protested so hard against making an official language in this country. Had it not been for him, we would have an established, official, recognized-by-the-law-of-the-land, language. He should go fly a kite. Peace and comfort, Michael

DaddySatyr -> RE: Should she be allowed to run? (2/2/2012 10:53:19 AM)
I got it! If we do this, why not let doctors who never finished medical school (and therefore, never passed their boards) perform surgery? Why not, instead of wasting all the time and money on basic training, hand young boys a weapon and a uniform and turn 'em loose? Why not, just take the first 10 applicants to be the newest police officers? How about we send you to a dentist that never finished his training? Oooooh! A car mechanic that learned all his trade in his backyard? I don't want to start a class war but, isn't the way we're governed at least as important a job as all of these examples? I watched the video and I will admit that she could probably buy groceries and deal with a mistake on a utility bill but, there's a bit more involved, when you're dealing with government contracts, etc. She is not as monolinguistic as one would believe from just reading text reports. This kind of changes the question for me ... There's a difference between a proficiency test and a minimum basic skills test. Because of my memory issues and lack of practice, I am sure I could not pass an Italian proficiency test. I am also fairly certain that I could still pass a minimum basic skills test in the Italian language. I would say that if she could pass the Arizona standardized test for English that is a requirement for every High School senior to get their diploma, she should be allowed to run. If she can't, she needs to come back, when she can. Peace and comfort, Michael

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