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DanaYielding -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 11:28:04 AM)

They did the right thing, mistakes were made and it is corrected. I get tired of rants that the damage was done. No one lost anything. They changed their minds and they should be thanked for listening to the outcry and acting to correct their error.




Lucylastic -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 11:38:03 AM)

difference of opinion
If people hadnt ranted they wouldnt have changed their position. Just because you are tired of it, isnt going to stop it.
People were angry and expressed it, THIS time it had an effect.





thishereboi -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 11:38:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

1. PP doesn't do mammograms (see my post 18.)

I confess I am unfamiliar with having my pecs professionally examined. [:D]

K.



Well that is not good at all. You know men get it also.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 11:45:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

1. PP doesn't do mammograms (see my post 18.)

I confess I am unfamiliar with having my pecs professionally examined. [:D]

K.



Well that is not good at all. You know men get it also.


A good male friend of mine died of breast cancer.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 12:06:37 PM)

This organization seems like it has really run off the rails.

Susan G. Komen Foundation Kicks Off P.R. Rehab by Promoting Pink Handguns gawker.comJust in time for the rising backlash to its self-created public relations disaster, the Susan G. Komen Foundation—which announced this week that it would pull its funding from Planned Parenthood—has teamed up with Discount Gun Sales to market pink handguns.




Kirata -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 2:15:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

This organization seems like it has really run off the rails.

Yeah really, that thing is only a .22 -- are they trying to say that women are wusses?

K.




kalikshama -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 7:19:30 PM)

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I get tired of rants that the damage was done.


Of course damage was done to the brand. First they make a political decision then the bow to public pressure, while leaving lots of room for weaseling.




kalikshama -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 7:21:25 PM)

Pinkwashing in cause marketing

Komen has also been caught up in the controversy over "pinkwashing"—the use of breast cancer and the pink ribbon by corporate marketers, especially to promote products that might be unhealthful—in return for a donation to the cause. Komen benefits greatly from these corporate partnerships, receiving over $55 million a year from them.[67] However, critics say many of these promotions are deceptive to consumers and benefit the companies more than the charity.[68]

Organizations such as Breast Cancer Action, an advocacy group, say that such promotions are often financially ineffective.[69] For instance, in 2005 Yoplait donated ten cents to Komen for each lid mailed in by consumers at a time when postage to mail a letter cost 37 cents.[69] Since the Save Lids to Save Lives campaign began in 1998, Yoplait has donated more than $25 million to Komen. In 2010 their annual maximum commitment was raised to $1.6 million.[70]

In April 2010, Komen received national attention when it paired with fast food restaurant chain KFC to offer "Buckets for the Cure," a promotion in which fried and grilled chicken was sold in pink branded buckets. The collaboration garnered criticism from media outlets including The Colbert Report[71] and Bitch magazine,[70] and it raised concerns about the promotion of unhealthful eating habits and obesity.[72] KFC contributed over $4.2 million to Komen, the largest single contribution in the organization's history.[73] The partnership with KFC, which has since ended, allowed Komen "to reach many millions of women that they had been unable to reach before," said Brinker.[67]




kalikshama -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 7:26:19 PM)

See the 2nd bit (after the giant earthworm)

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/308102/april-29-2010/tip-wag---scientists---kfc




Trismagistus -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/3/2012 7:29:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

This organization seems like it has really run off the rails.

Yeah really, that thing is only a .22 -- are they trying to say that women are wusses?

K.




I'm not sure how or why I might do so someday, but can I quote you on that man?




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/4/2012 3:32:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

This organization seems like it has really run off the rails.

Yeah really, that thing is only a .22 -- are they trying to say that women are wusses?

K.


Amen, they need to push these.



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farglebargle -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/4/2012 3:39:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DanaYielding

They did the right thing, mistakes were made and it is corrected. I get tired of rants that the damage was done. No one lost anything. They changed their minds and they should be thanked for listening to the outcry and acting to correct their error.


The intentional destruction of access to comprehensive woman's healthcare services isn't a 'mistake'... It's their publicly demonstrated policy.

So, without the entire Board of Directors being replaced, ( which HASN'T happened ) what makes you think the Susan E Koman War On Woman's Health While Fleecing Suckers Of Their Hard Earned Cash has ended and that as an OFFICIAL POLICY they've recognized that abortion services are an integral part of woman's healthcare and they will work to promote access?

(crickets)

I thought so.




kalikshama -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/4/2012 6:23:39 AM)

I usually save this for October, but you gave me such a perfect segue:

Breast Cancer Deception

Written by Sherrill Sellman

Every October since 1985, pink ribbons are displayed in posters, magazine advertisements, and proudly adorn women's lapels heralding Breast Cancer Awareness Month. The multitudes of runs, hikes, walks, and other fundraising events raise hundred of millions of dollars to conquer that dreaded scourge of the modern woman, breast cancer. High profile companies like Avon, Lee Denim, and Revlon have joined ranks along with the Susan G. Komen Foundation's "Race for the Cure", and the City of Hope Hospital's "Walk for Hope". Popular celebrities lead the charge.

Each year, 180,000 women will be diagnosed with breast cancer and 44,000 will die of the disease. The US has one of the highest breast cancer rates in the world. Fifty years ago the incidence of Breast Cancer for a woman's lifetime risk was one in twenty. Now it has skyrocketed to one in eight. Clearly the so-called war on cancer has not even made a dent in the breast cancer epidemic as the rates continue to climb at the rate of one per cent per year.

The motto of Breast Cancer Awareness Month is "Early Detection is Your Best Protection". The National Cancer Institute stated in 1995 that "Breast cancer is simply not a preventable disease". This tune was reiterated in 1997 by the American Cancer Society who also announced that "there are no practical ways to prevent breast cancer -- only early detection."1 So mammograms are the front line of defense. Celebrities like Rosie O'Donnell offer free t-shirts with the honorable words "I've Been Squished" if you'll make a date with your local x-ray department.

So let's all join in and wave our pink ribbons and don those running shoes and take to the roads, right? Wait! Before you get swept up by the emotional frenzy of this call to arms, there is something you should know.

Who Profits from Breast Cancer?

Breast Cancer Awareness month's primary sponsor and mastermind of the event in 1985 was Zeneca Pharmaceuticals, now known as AstraZeneca. Zeneca is the company that manufactures the controversial and widely prescribed breast cancer drug, Tamoxifen. Did you know all TV, radio, and print media campaigns are paid for and must be approved by Zeneca.

It is less known that Zeneca also makes herbicides and fungicides. One of their products, the organochlorine pesticide, Acetochlor is implicated as a causal factor in breast cancer. Its Perry Ohio chemical plant is the third largest source of potential cancer causing pollution in the U.S., spewing 53,000 pounds of recognized carcinogens into the air in 1996.2

Why The Breast Cancer Increase?

When it comes to environmental toxicity, carcinogens found in pesticides, herbicides, plastics, and other toxic chemicals that are known to cause cancer -- especially breast cancer -- there is booming silence by all Breast Cancer Awareness Month programs. Did the alarming increase of breast cancer rates just mysteriously happen? Or perhaps, the focus on the cure has conveniently ignored the cause? After, all it wouldn't really be good PR for Zeneca to have it known that their chemical products directly contribute to the breast cancer epidemic.

Many experts predicted as far back as 30 years ago that cancer rates would increase, citing an explosion of synthetic chemicals. From 1940 through the early 1980's, production of synthetic chemicals increased by a factor of 350.

Billions of tons of toxic substances that never existed are now released into the environment. Yet only 3 percent of the 75,000 chemicals in use have been tested for safety.3 These toxic time bombs are found in our water, air, and soil. Women who live near toxic waste dumps have 6.5 times the incidence of breast cancer.

A survey conducted by Dr. Mary Wolff of Mt. Sinai Hospital, New York found that women with breast cancer had four times the levels of DDE found in non-carcinogenic tumors.4 Also, another study investigated why upper class women in the community of Newton, Massachusetts had higher breast cancer rates than the lower economic women.5 The researchers attributed the increase to greater use of professional lawn care service and more dry cleaning.

Pesticides & Breast Cancer

The pesticide breast cancer link was stunningly highlighted in research from Israel which linked three organochlorine pesticides detected in dairy products to an increase of 12 types of cancer in 10 different strains of mice. After public outcry in 1978, the Israeli government was forced to ban the pesticides Benzene Hexachloride, DDT, and Lindane. Interestingly, breast cancer mortality rates which had increased every year for 25 years, dropped nearly 8 per cent for all age groups and dropped more than a thirty-three percent for women ages 25-34 in 1986.6

The American Cancer Society was founded with the support of the Rockefeller family in 1913. Members of the chemical and pharmaceutical industry have long had a place on its board. Could that have something to do with the fact that the American Cancer Society's latest report on cancer prevention makes no mention of environmental factors?

Tamoxifen: Cure or Cause?

Since Zeneca researched and patented the most popular breast cancer treatment, Tamoxifen, grossing 500 million dollars a year [Tamoxifen is actually the generic name. The brand name is Nolvadex.], perhaps we can forgive their involvement with carcinogenic chemicals... Perhaps not. On May 16th, 2000, the New York Times reported that the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences listed substances that are known to cause cancer. Tamoxifen was included in that list!!7

It is known that Tamoxifen causes uterine cancer, liver cancer, and gastro-intestinal cancer. After just two to three years of use, Tamoxifen will increase the incidence of uterine cancer by two to three times. The treatment for uterine cancer is a hysterectomy. In addition, Tamoxifen increased the risk of strokes, blood clots, eye damage, menopausal symptoms, and depression.

The biggest shock of all is the fact that Tamoxifen will increase the risk of breast cancer! The journal Science published a study from Duke University Medical Center in 1999 showing that after 2 - 5 years, Tamoxifen actually initiated the growth of breast cancer!

Zeneca: Two Sides to the Coin

So, Zeneca, the originator of Breast Cancer Awareness month is the manufacturer of carcinogenic petrochemicals, carcinogenic pollutants, and a breast cancer drug that causes at least four different types of cancer in women, including breast cancer. I ask you to stop and think, "Is something wrong with this picture?"

So, since the Breast Cancer Awareness Month spin doctors claim that breast cancer is "simply not a preventable disease", the focus has shifted to the theme of early detection. Women are now encouraged to get their early mammogram. At one time, only women 50 years or older were told to get this screening. Now the campaign is targeting 40 year olds and even women as young as 25. However, detecting breast cancer with mammography does not protect women from breast cancer.

Mammograms: Adding Injury to Insult!

More questions are being raised about the validity of mammograms. A mammogram is an x-ray. The only acknowledged cause of cancer by the American Cancer Society is from radiation. When it comes to radiation, there is no safe level of exposure.

"There is clear evidence that the breast, particularly in premenopausal women, is highly sensitive to radiation, with estimates of increased risk of up to one percent for every RAD (radiation absorbed dose) unit of x-ray exposure. Even for low dosage exposure of two RADs or less, this exposure can add up quickly for women having an annual mammography," notes Samuel Epstein, M.D., Professor of Occupational and Environmental Medicine at the University of Illinois School of Public Health. "More recent concern comes from evidence that one percent of women, or over one million women in the United States alone, carry a gene that increases their breast cancer risk from radiation fourfold."8

In addition, mammography provides false tumor reports of between 5 and 15 percent of the time. False positive results cause women to be re-exposed to additional X rays and create an environment of further stress, even possibly leading to unneeded surgery.

"Furthermore," says Dr. Epstein, "while there is a general consensus that mammography improves early cancer detection and survival in post-menopausal women, no such benefit is demonstrable for younger women." Still, the American Cancer Society recommends annual or biannual mammography for all women ages forty to fifty-five or earlier.

"Mammograms increase the risk for developing breast cancer and raise the risk of spreading or metastasizing an existing growth," says Dr. Charles B. Simone, a former clinical associate in immunology and pharmacology at the National Cancer Institute. Safer and even more effective diagnostic techniques like infrared thermography has been vigorously attacked by the Breast Cancer Awareness organizations.9

It is also noteworthy to point out that General Electric, a major polluter in PCB's in the Hudson River, N.Y. area, manufactures mammography machines.

So all the hullabaloo that comes each October, enlisting women's support and hard-earned cash does nothing to really eliminate the cause of this devastating disease. Instead, women's heart-felt desires and good intentions to find the cause and cure are usurped by the hidden agendas of major transnational corporations pushing their toxic drug treatments and diagnostic tools that are shown to contribute to even more breast cancer. It makes one wonder if the cancer establishment is really interested in a cure at all.

Can We Do Anything?

Women can make a difference. The causes of cancer are already known. Toxic diets, toxic lifestyles, toxic environments, toxic drug treatments, and toxic diagnostic techniques cause cancer. Corporations are only interested in increasing their profits and ensuring their tentacles of control, not in actual solutions. When it comes to Breast Cancer Awareness Month, women must invest their time and money into projects, initiatives, and treatments that will truly make a difference.

Perhaps it is time to turn in those pink ribbons.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/4/2012 6:40:47 AM)

Well, I am a multiple gun owner, myself. I still don't see how this relates to their purported mission. Unless that mission is to do anything for a buck.
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

This organization seems like it has really run off the rails.

Yeah really, that thing is only a .22 -- are they trying to say that women are wusses?

K.





kalikshama -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/6/2012 9:28:10 AM)

Billions of dollars have been raised through the tireless efforts of women and men devoted to putting an end to breast cancer. Yet, breast cancer rates in North America have risen to 1 in 8. "What's going on?" asks Barbara Brenner in Pink Ribbons, Inc. a new film now playing across Canada.

This feature documentary visits some of the massive fundraising runs and questions where the money goes and asks 'who really profits from pink ribbon campaigns?'. We meet women with metastatic breast cancer from the IV League support group of Austin, Texas who openly tell us their stories.

For more information: http://nfb.ca/pinkribbonsinc
Like the NFB on Facebook: http://facebook.com/nfb.ca
Follow the NFB on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thenfb

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QPZfcYTUaA




Aylee -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/6/2012 10:28:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

I usually save this for October, but you gave me such a perfect segue:



Two things for you.

1. Israeli doctors are working on an infra-red technique. http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/09/02/new-breast-imaging-system-hailed-as-brea?videoId=219511305

2. Sonograms! You can use sonograms for detecting breast cancers. They are still working out how they compare to x-rays, but they are non invasive and do not use radiation or contrast injections.




Lucylastic -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/6/2012 2:24:00 PM)

WASHINGTON -- A gun seller thrust into the spotlight last week over its alleged ties to the Susan G. Komen Foundation is launching another production run of its pink "Hope" handgun and donating proceeds to a different cancer organization.

Discount Gun Sales released an open letter on Monday clarifying that it never had a business partnership with Komen, which also vehemently denied such a partnership last week in the face of reports that said otherwise. The two have had a loose relationship, but nothing formal, said the gun seller.

"In a statement to the press, Komen's spokesperson explained that the foundation does not have partnerships with companies in the firearms industry," the letter stated. "Discount Gun Sales and Komen are 'teammates' only in the sense that we support cancer research. We apologize to our customers and the Susan G. Komen Foundation for any confusion."

That doesn't mean Discount Gun Sales never donated any money to Komen, however. And if it did, it won't be doing it anymore.

"We respect Komen's decision to disassociate itself from the firearms industry, and we will instead donate the proceeds from our P-22 'Hope Edition' to the American Cancer Society," the letter said. "We have decided to produce a limited run of 250 units using the latest revision of the Walther P-22, the 'Q Edition.' The pistols will sell for $449.99, and Discount Gun Sales will donate $50 to the American Cancer Society for every one that is sold."

A Komen spokeswoman didn't seem to have any hard feelings. "Like so many companies, Discount Gun's owners and employees are hoping to end a terrible disease, and we're thankful for their support of cancer causes," said Komen communications director Andrea Rader.

Andrew Becker, director of media relations for the American Cancer Society, said he had no comment on Discount Gun Sales' plan since since he hadn't even heard about it. "We have no knowledge of this announcement, and we have not been contacted by this company," he said.

It remains unclear whether Komen ever received donations tied to sales of the "Hope" handgun. Discount Gun Sales at least originally planned to donate proceeds from sales of the gun "to a charity that people would recognize, and Susan G. Komen is very well known in the Seattle area as a result of their 'Race for the Cure,'" according to the letter.

A source at Discount Gun Sales, who requested anonymity, told The Huffington Post that the company did donate proceeds from sales of the "Hope" gun to the Seattle affiliate of Komen a couple of years ago. "Yeah, yes, we cut them a check," said the source, who said the company had donated a portion of the sales of 25 to 35 of those handguns, which were priced at $429.99 apiece.

But representatives for Komen's Seattle chapter and national headquarters say they have no record of any donation from Discount Gun Sales. "We checked our records again, and I can categorically state that the Puget Sound affiliate of Susan G. Komen for the Cure has never received a donation from Discount Gun Sales," said spokesman Jim Clune.

A customer service representative at Discount Gun Sales headquarters said Monday that no one was readily available to discuss providing a copy of the alleged check made out to Komen.

Komen, the largest breast cancer charity in the nation, made waves last week for cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood, before ultimately reversing course on Friday and stating that the family-planning organization will remain eligible for grants. Emails later proved that Karen Handel, Komen's staunchly anti-abortion vice president for public policy, was the main force behind the decision to defund Planned Parenthood and the attempt to make the decision look nonpolitical.

The publicity surrounding Komen and the pink handgun has been a boon to Discount Gun Sales. An employee at one of the gun retailer's stores in Seattle, who requested anonymity, said Saturday that he had been swamped with calls from people interested in the gun and had been collecting names in the event that Discount Gun Sales decided to make more of them. By Monday, the company announced it was launching a second production run after a gunsmith who survived Stage IV cancer read about the Komen dust-up and proposed making a new edition of the gun.

Update: 4:50 p.m. -- This story has been updated to reflect a response from the American Cancer Society.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/gun-seller-komen_n_1257715.html




DanaYielding -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/9/2012 9:56:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

difference of opinion
If people hadnt ranted they wouldnt have changed their position. Just because you are tired of it, isnt going to stop it.
People were angry and expressed it, THIS time it had an effect.



I think it not a difference of opinion, We're not talking about the same thing. Yes outcry was loud. I believe we both agree that outcry was needed, and the needed outcry resulted in a change in SGK position. Outcry worked, good for outcry.
What i find un ... appealing is the constant badger AFTER the mis-step has been corrected, like some unforgivable offense was committed. Like the quote "...but IMO that still doesn't excuse them pulling it to begin with." or "Too little, too late...."
I trust these people have never had to be forgiven for an error in their own judgement, nor expect to be if they ever do mis-step.




tazzygirl -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/9/2012 10:04:05 AM)

When I make an error in judgement in a hospital, you can best be assured it isnt forgiven with a "that's ok, it happens to all of us" type of attitude. There are ramifications of every error in judgement. The outcry with this one was so loud because of the potential for harm and the insult to intelligence.

How many women get breast cancer?
The American Cancer Society's most recent estimates for breast cancer in the United States are for 2012:

About 226,870 new cases of invasive breast cancer in women
About 63,000 new cases of carcinoma in situ (CIS) will be found (CIS is non-invasive and is the earliest form of breast cancer).
About 39,510 deaths from breast cancer (women)
Breast cancer is the most common cancer among women in the United States, other than skin cancer. It is the second leading cause of cancer death in women, after lung cancer.

The chance of a woman having invasive breast cancer some time during her life is a little less 1 in 8. The chance of dying from breast cancer is about 1 in 36. Breast cancer death rates have been going down. This is probably the result of finding the cancer earlier and better treatment. Right now there are more than 2½ million breast cancer survivors in the United States.


Early detection is the difference between the number of new cases and the number of deaths each year. Removal of these funds would have hampered early detection. In essence, issuing death sentences over a policy they were not applying equally.

So, no, I dont believe they should be let off the hook so easy with an "Im sorry".




DanaYielding -> RE: Petition: Susan G. Komen for the Cure: Put Women's Lives Before Politics (2/9/2012 10:15:42 AM)

"There are ramifications of every error in judgement. The outcry with this one was so loud because of the potential for harm and the insult to intelligence."

Potential ...fortunately this error was corrected before harm was done. The intelligence question of making the decision in the first place, well now i can agree with that, but couldn't we also agree that most if not all errors are the result of some unforseen consequences on the behalf on the decision-maker(s), and when rightly pointed out with the added benefit of the knowledge of others, the offender should be able to retreat with a certain amount of gained wisdom.
SGK made a choice, it was/is clearly the wrong choice, SGK heard about it (was presented with greater knowledge of the ramifications from others) and corrected their choice.




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