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Tikkiee -> RE: Thoughts on Dog. (6/2/2006 12:05:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: carlsteel

It's a pleasure to contribute to this thread. It's especially gratifying because I'm always right. Now if I were only modest.

1. Don't shy from the word atheist. It is the correct academic term for someone does not believe in god.

2. I have, since I was a child been a member of the Unitarian Universalist churches. Plenty of atheists there, even a few of the ministers are.  There is no dogma, that is to say offical doctrine. Hence the old saying no two Unitarians believe the same thing. Each individual has to make their own religious choices and decisions. Great if you have a critical, thinking mind. Lousy if you need to be told what to believe. i.e., what is truth. I belong to the religious humanist wing of the church. In the simplest words my religion is a tool kit for discovering the truth in life, about justice, the universe, morality, economics, public policy, and ethics. Or as it was once described back in the 1960's, the use of reason and the scientific method in religion. In short, I am a religious atheist. There is no  room for superstition, bigotry or anti-intellectualism in my life.


/bows head slightly at carlsteel
 
Nicely said [:)]




NastyDaddy -> RE: Thoughts on Dog. (6/2/2006 1:09:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tikkiee

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atheist is simply a parallel term for a parallel group of often extremely overbearing and zealous undoubters who will judge you as atheist if you do not agree with their heartfelt undoubts.

I have to disagree with you. I do not judge any person by their own beliefs. In fact, I embrace others ideals, even when they conflict with mine. I see all sides of the coin; I choose to stand on my side, and others choose to stand on theirs. But that does not mean that I do not see, and comprehend,  all sides.
 
From the sounds of it though, you are having quite the time trying to see past your own superiority. Shame, your arguments could have been constructive; instead they come across as sounding as nothing more than the ramblings of a fanatic.


Why don't you quote my entire comment versus just the part you want to henpeck, out of context I might add.

I paralleled the terms 'infidel' and 'atheist', which both equate to nonbelievers of two different religions... in that context my statement hold it's own truth despite who's side you personally happen to be standing on at any given momemt in time.

My entire comment sentence (only part you quoted is in bold text):  Personally I don't like the term 'atheist', it rings too much like 'infidel', a term used by islamic undoubters towards doubters of their fine one size fits all religion... atheist is simply a parallel term for a parallel group of often extremely overbearing and zealous undoubters who will judge you as atheist if you do not agree with their heartfelt undoubts.

Seeing and comprehending while NOT believing still does not remove you from the infidel OR atheist position. Non believers are nonbelievers, period! Maybe you are one of those trendy patronizing type of part time believers???

Inserting whatever biases you hold into my words does not make me a rambling fanatic... it only makes you look stupid after I pointed out your comment had been quoted out of context already in this thread. I see you repeated the misquote gesture to try to strengthen your silly argument... yes, an argument as opposed to taking and maintaining a stance. How does a nonbeliever escape the label of infidel or atheist (despite enormous insight and comprehension)?  Only by accepting, being a believer  and pushing the agenda of whichever religion you decide to believe and push.

Your comment regarding your perception of my assumed superiority is more an issue with you than me... I speak directly and don't sugar coat the subject, or tap dance all around it. I will admit I am not a superior tap dancer like many here appear to be.

Whatever 'your' present position may be, namecalling to attempt to bolster a losing argument is simply desperation.




LeashLord -> RE: Thoughts on Dog. (6/2/2006 1:09:44 PM)

Actually, there is a great deal of scientific evidence to support many of the Scriptures.

For example, there are over 350 prophecies in the Old Testament concerning Jesus Christ. The Romans and Hebrews (Isrealites) were prodigious record keepers - historical documents prove that Christ fulfilled all Old Testament prophecies except those concerning His second coming. The statistical probability of one person fulfilling that many SPECIFIC prophecies is 10 to the -60th power (that's 10 with 60 zeros following it)... roughly the same probablity of a tornado passing through a junk yard and leaving a fully operational Boeing 747 in its wake. This is an inarguable fact.

The foundational argument is and always will be evolution vs. creation. The Institute for Creation Research (ICR... www.icr.org) offers considerable resources for anyone desiring to study the facts supporting this eternal conflict.

There is not one piece of incontrovertable evidence supporting evolution - no fossils of transitional species, no documented observation of new species being formed, etc. This is not just my opinion... it is the opinion of many well-known and respected evolutionists like Isaac Asimov. Another famous evolutionist (I forget his name... but can look it up for anyone who requests), stated on his death bed that despite the fact that there is no evidence to support evolution, he had to believe because the only other alternative is creation... and he refuses to submit to a Higher Power (God).

Here's a sample of quotes from leading scientists and evolutionists:

"If we were to expect to find ancestors to or intermediates between higher taxa, it would be in the rocks of late Precambrian to Ordovician times, when the bulk of the world's higher animal taxa evolved. Yet transitional alliances are unknown or unconfirmed for any of the phyla or classes appearing then." (J.W. Valentine and D.H. Erwin, "The Fossil Record," in Development as an Evolutionary Process (Uas, 1987), p. 84.)

"We conclude that ... neither of the contending theories of evolutionary change at the species level, phyletic gradualism or punctuated equilibrium, seem applicable to the origin of new body plans." (Ibid, p. 96. Valentine is a geologist at U.C. Santa Barbara, Erwin at Michigan State.)

"At present all discussions on principle theories and experiments in the field either end in stalemate or in a confession of ignorance.... The problem is that the principal evolutionary processes from prebiotic molecules to progenotes have not been proven by experimentation and that the environmental conditions under which these processes occurred are not known." (Dose, Prof. Dr. Klaus, "The Origin of Life; More Questions than Answers," Interdisciplinary Science Reviews (v. 13, no. 4, 1988), p. 348. Dose is Director, Institute for Biochemistry, Gutenberg University, West Germany.)

"Both the 'Big Bang' model and the theoretical side of elementary particle physics rely on numerous highly speculative assumptions.1 But if there was no Big Bang, how and when did the universe begin? ... (Hannes) Alfven replies: "It is only a myth that attempts to say how the universe came into being...." (E.J. Lerner, "The Big Bang Never Happened," Discover (v. 9, June 1988), p. 78. Swedish astronomer Alfven, who has a Nobel Prize in Physics, maintains the universe has always been essentially the same.)

"The law of natural selection is not, I will maintain, science. It is an ideology, and a wicked one, and it has as much interfered with our ability to perceive the history of life with clarity as it has interfered with our ability to see one another with tolerance.... The law of the survival of the fittest may be, therefore, a tautology in which fitness is defined by the fact of survival, not by independent criteria that would form the basis for prediction." (Kenneth J. Hsu, "Is Darwinism Science?" Earthwatch (March 1989), p. 17. Hsu is Earth Science Head at the Swiss Institute of Earth Sciences.)

"But the first detailed study of the gaits and footprints of modern people who walk barefooted indicated the Laetoli prints are much like those of Homo sapiens and were probably not produced by Lucy's relatives, reports Russell H. Tuttle of the University of Chicago. It should be obvious that these footprints were made by true human beings; the only reason for rejecting this fact is the assumed 3.5-million year age, a time long before man is supposed to have evolved." (Bruce Bower, "A Walk Back through Evolution," Science News (v. 135, April 22, 1989), p. 251.)

"Our science is too encumbered with uniformitarian concepts that project the modern Earth/Life system as the primary model for interpretation of evolution and extinction patterns in ancient ecosystems. Detailed paleoenvironmental data tell us that the past is the key to the present, not vice versa." (Eric Kauffman, "The Uniformitarian Albatross," Palaios (v. 2, no. 6, 1987), p. 531.)





carlsteel -> RE: Thoughts on Dog. (6/2/2006 1:10:06 PM)

Why what a lovely thing to say young lady!

Kiss, Kiss, Spank, Spank!




PlayfulOne -> RE: Thoughts on Dog. (6/2/2006 2:06:57 PM)

I'm with the bear, I thought this was about Dog the Bounty hunter

K




meatcleaver -> RE: Thoughts on Dog. (6/2/2006 2:40:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LeashLord

Actually, there is a great deal of scientific evidence to support many of the Scriptures.

For example, there are over 350 prophecies in the Old Testament concerning Jesus Christ. The Romans and Hebrews (Isrealites) were prodigious record keepers - historical documents prove that Christ fulfilled all Old Testament prophecies except those concerning His second coming. The statistical probability of one person fulfilling that many SPECIFIC prophecies is 10 to the -60th power (that's 10 with 60 zeros following it)... roughly the same probablity of a tornado passing through a junk yard and leaving a fully operational Boeing 747 in its wake. This is an inarguable fact.



But every Jew worth his salt would have known about the prophecies and could have easily set out to complete the prophecies which is what is often suggested Jesus did. However, there is no current reports of Jesus in his life time so the writers of the gospels could have easily just said he had fullfilled them after the fact.

There are no known Roman documents referring to Jesus, not even of his supposed meeting with Pilate.




NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Thoughts on Dog. (6/2/2006 7:09:30 PM)

Without the bad stuff, we wouldn't appreciate the good stuff.  I know, that's not religious, but it's the way I view it.

Then again, a lot of people still take the Modest Mouse approach:  "If life isn't beautiful without the pain well then I'd rather never ever see beauty again."

Depends on the person, I guess, but I'm an optimist.  Everything I do makes me stronger and better, be it good or bad.




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