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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 7:39:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im Horndry It's funny how time runs, it's now two years and a couple of months since I parted ways with my Swedish but that was done on amicably. I really still miss him a lot and have since tried being owned but without success. I've had these feelings since my puperty but due to free sexual expression in my society and upbringing it was kind of difficult even to understand what was wrong until I met this wonderful man I mentioned. Hopefully though tme is runnng out, I will get an honest person who will be prepared to own me.

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 7:57:21 AM   
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Im Horndry It's funny how time runs, it's now two years and a couple of months since I parted ways with my Swedish but that was done on amicably. I really still miss him a lot and have since tried being owned but without success. I've had these feelings since my puperty but due to free sexual expression in my society and upbringing it was kind of difficult even to understand what was wrong until I met this wonderful man I mentioned. Hopefully though tme is runnng out, I will get an honest person who will be prepared to own me.

Cheers !  Hornydry




thats lovely hornydry though wtf does that have to do with religion.

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 9:46:17 AM   
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I think its a conceit to argue against religion based on a very narrow swath of it.

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Not really.

Since religions claim to be about truth, there really should be some empirical evidence you should be able to produce.... but then it is just faith in a truth without any evidence other than hearsay.

I'm ready to be convinced otherwise.


I personally think it is conceit for you to profess to be the definitive source of information for something you have just clearly demonstrated you know absolutely nothing about.

Very recently I have seen direct answers to prayer in My own life that would have otherwise been impossible.  Several times, not just once.  I was even told how one would be answered, and it was answered the same day in the exact manner specified.

I do not profess to know the will of God.  I do not know why there is suffering, famine, wars, disease.  I have no idea.  But I DO know that He is much bigger than I and He has a big plan that is probably too much for My simple mind to comprehend.  I am happy to leave it in His hands.

So, you have not got a clue in the world what you are talking about and that is all there is to it..  But I will tolerate your ramblings because you, like I, are entitled to your inane opinions.

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 9:49:04 AM   
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I believe your comment is an over simplification of a much broader observation.
 
And whilst I accept your idea that 'God is nothing but human conceit.' I also deny it.  For myself.
 
I am amazed why time and time again, christianity (and more recently, Muslim belief) is viewed as 'open season'.
There are many, many beliefs stretched out across the world from Hinduism to the Oahspe writings - yet people continuously wish to tout distain for specific religions.
 
Personal thoughts and ideas are just that.  Personal.  Whilst they may not settle well with you, they are other peoples beliefs.  I wouldn't insult you by insinuating that your belief is conceited - I may say it isnt for me, and it isn't something I would follow but to tarnish everyone with the same brush is little more than religious hatred.
 
So, ok... some christians do the same thing - but tit for tat retribution only adds to misery and will never solve any mystery - and has led to countless genocidal occurances of all beliefs just because people feel it is appropriate to group all individuals into one neat little box.
 
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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 9:51:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Coincidence is a great proof of god.  Since a negative can't be proven I still await proof of the positive.

Strange how we condemn suicide bombers for their madness in believing in divine messages and their insight into the afterlife. It appears one man's divine insight is fine as long as it is similar to our own.

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 9:55:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will not get into 'belief in goad' and those sorts of debates, as they tend to be an exercise for the head-life and faith is something that speaks in the language of the heart-life.

But I will say this ;)  The first priests are descended from the first chimp who wasn't afraid of the lightning.

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 10:01:50 AM   
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The first priests are descended from the first chimp who wasn't afraid of the lightning.

fergus

LMAO

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 10:06:12 AM   
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Well prophets are fundemental zealots. The primitive part is judgemental though, I accept.

Not all prophets are zealots.  Not all are primitive.  Not all are even christians...
The statement isn't only judgemental, but it is a sweeping generalisation and it stinks of anti religious bigotry.  What makes you statement so right and no different to anything Hitler, bin laden or any other genocidal maniac may state?
 
Yup, lets burn all the christians, and the muslims, and the buddists, and the Hindus... and whilst your at it  the pagans and wiccans and any other spiritually aware person.
 
Why stop there?  Lets just destroy and generalise anyone who doesn't agree with that you say?
 
Religion ISNT the problem.  MAN is.  And you are a fine example of the exact kind of 'man' I am talking about.
 
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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 10:07:29 AM   
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I am!
Missed you terribly as well....(waves to peach)
 
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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 10:08:40 AM   
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I will not get into 'belief in goad' and those sorts of debates, as they tend to be an exercise for the head-life and faith is something that speaks in the language of the heart-life.

But I will say this ;)  The first priests are descended from the first chimp who wasn't afraid of the lightning.

fergus

Tooo funny....
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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 10:15:04 AM   
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The statement isn't only judgemental, but it is a sweeping generalisation and it stinks of anti religious bigotry.  What makes you statement so right and no different to anything Hitler, bin laden or any other genocidal maniac may state?
 
Yup, lets burn all the christians, and the muslims, and the buddists, and the Hindus... and whilst your at it  the pagans and wiccans and any other spiritually aware person.

 
Religious people tolerate secular people because they have no choice. When they had a choice, they DIDN'T tolerate them.
 

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 10:19:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was about type angrily "That's not true--how about..." and then realized I couldn't come up with too many examples.  Calling someone an atheist was just about the worst possible accusation you could make not that long ago.

The only thing I'd change is the concept of "secular people"; that doesn't make too much sense.  The same person can be both "religious" and "secular."  Maybe you mean theists vs. atheists.

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Religious people tolerate secular people because they have no choice. When they had a choice, they DIDN'T tolerate them.

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 10:23:02 AM   
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The statement isn't only judgemental, but it is a sweeping generalisation and it stinks of anti religious bigotry.  What makes you statement so right and no different to anything Hitler, bin laden or any other genocidal maniac may state?
 
Yup, lets burn all the christians, and the muslims, and the buddists, and the Hindus... and whilst your at it  the pagans and wiccans and any other spiritually aware person.

 
Religious people tolerate secular people because they have no choice. When they had a choice, they DIDN'T tolerate them.
 



Again - ANOTHER sweeping generalisation.
And you never answered my question - maybe you do not choose to.  Free will and all that - are you not blessed with that?  Maybe if you had to respond, you have to actually admit you and your view makes you no different to the so called 'primitive fundemetalist zealots' you find so aborant?
 
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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 11:20:20 AM   
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The statement isn't only judgemental, but it is a sweeping generalisation and it stinks of anti religious bigotry.  What makes you statement so right and no different to anything Hitler, bin laden or any other genocidal maniac may state?
 
Yup, lets burn all the christians, and the muslims, and the buddists, and the Hindus... and whilst your at it  the pagans and wiccans and any other spiritually aware person.

 
Religious people tolerate secular people because they have no choice. When they had a choice, they DIDN'T tolerate them.
 



Again - ANOTHER sweeping generalisation.
And you never answered my question - maybe you do not choose to.  Free will and all that - are you not blessed with that?  Maybe if you had to respond, you have to actually admit you and your view makes you no different to the so called 'primitive fundemetalist zealots' you find so aborant?
 
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I haven't advocated pogroms against religious people. I've merely suggested that there is no empirical evidence in what religious people believe.

Even when people have questioned religious views and proved their heresies were fact, they have been persecuted by religious zealots of one religion or another. Such activities go on to this day.

I have never suggested for one moment I have knowledge of any truth, merely that I believe in my senses and then testing them through scientific investigation, which is always open to revision.

I don't believe in any dogma and I'm always open to be convinced I am wrong but where religion is concerned I think I will be waiting a long time.

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 11:40:45 AM   
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I personally think it is conceit for you to profess to be the definitive source of information for something you have just clearly demonstrated you know absolutely nothing about.

Very recently I have seen direct answers to prayer in My own life that would have otherwise been impossible.  Several times, not just once.  I was even told how one would be answered, and it was answered the same day in the exact manner specified.

I do not profess to know the will of God.  I do not know why there is suffering, famine, wars, disease.  I have no idea.  But I DO know that He is much bigger than I and He has a big plan that is probably too much for My simple mind to comprehend.  I am happy to leave it in His hands.

So, you have not got a clue in the world what you are talking about and that is all there is to it..  But I will tolerate your ramblings because you, like I, are entitled to your inane opinions.


I believe that prayer can measurably help those that pray.  Prayer brings about focus, it can help you sort out problems, rellieve stress, and make you heal, think, content, etc.. like seeing a psychologist.  Also, and most importantly, it gives people hope and encouragement.  If they believe something bigger than they are is helping them with their problem/life, it gives them the will to face the problem (and life in general) themselves.

Prayer can be emotional healing, and self-guidance.  Perhaps the direct answers to your prayers came from you... your problem, your solution, your action, or perhaps it was a coincidence.  I am sure there are many prayers that forever go unanswered, and those balance out the coincidences of prayers which are 'answered'.  I don't believe in divine intervention, unless it's the divinity of the mind. 

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 11:45:34 AM   
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I disagree entirely with the OP.
 
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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 12:01:11 PM   
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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 3:15:06 PM   
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Not all prophets are zealots. Not all are primitive. Not all are even christians... The statement isn't only judgemental, but it is a sweeping generalisation and it stinks of anti religious bigotry. What makes you statement so right and no different to anything Hitler, bin laden or any other genocide maniac may state?

I think you will find that Bin Laden is a religious bigot and I am sure it would be possible to argue that Hitler was one also.

“Religion ISNT the problem. MAN is. And you are a fine example of the exact kind of 'man' I am talking about.”

Since religion is a manmade concept does that mean it is innately flawed?

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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 3:39:21 PM   
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Not all prophets are zealots. Not all are primitive. Not all are even christians... The statement isn't only judgemental, but it is a sweeping generalisation and it stinks of anti religious bigotry. What makes you statement so right and no different to anything Hitler, bin laden or any other genocide maniac may state?

I think you will find that Bin Laden is a religious bigot and I am sure it would be possible to argue that Hitler was one also.

That is what I said.

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“Religion ISNT the problem. MAN is. And you are a fine example of the exact kind of 'man' I am talking about.”

Since religion is a manmade concept does that mean it is innately flawed?
 
Some people would disagree that religion is a manmade concept - for it comes from the words of whichever deity is held at that religions core... man would be viewed purely as the vessel to relate it.
 
What religion is - is often different to what a man/woman who would abuse the words and teachings of whatever religion they preach to justify their own ends.  The same can be said for science, or whatever fundamental belief that person has.
Religion is religion.
Abuse is always, abuse.
 
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RE: human conceit - 6/2/2006 4:11:17 PM   
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I think its a conceit to argue against religion based on a very narrow swath of it.

*meow*


I try to argue the basic concepts of it. Why you might believe it, how you go about it. As soon as anything about a religion is forced upon my life, I rebel and argue. As I do about many things that affect my life, that are done by others.
Religion is one of those things that so easily inspire frustration when being debated, because one persons facts are the other persons nonfacts. So debating on those set of facts is headbutting.
I like to bring it to a level of how religions effects are on the world and a person, for good or ill. Religion is a fact, and it's effects are facts. Even if you do not believe the basis of religion.


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