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RE: The war on wildlife continues - 2/13/2012 6:25:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I daresay he has no point. He is just regurgitating what FOX and/or the Washington Times told him to say.

Now here's a fine example we can pull over to the debate thread, Hill. I have brought up a subject which is completely relevant to how IASS chose to title her thread, and illustrated that the concern for wildlife often varies widely, depending on what is killing it, and your response is to suggest that I'm simply a robotic mouthpiece. I'm calling that a personal insult, and I may need to get as eager on the report button as some of our leftie friends.

Perhaps you've forgotten already, but I was questioning what the fuck you were doing watching Fox, very recently, and expressing my own disdain for the network. I watch very little television at all (aside from my Top Gear habit, and some South Park or Beavis and Butthead off the DVR to go with a midnight snack), but I get my information from a wide variety of publications, and I'm as likely to cite HuffPo or the New York Times as any other source.

I dislike windmills, and raise issues of problems they create, not because I've been told to, but because I live in proximity to a hell of a lot of them, and there are plenty of people (who don't live here) who are eager to industrialize this whole fucking valley. They cover the hills and mountains to my north, sticking up like pickets during the day, and creating a sea of flashing red, FAA mandated, lights in the night. The towers of the power lines march across the huge horizon we used to have here, and many, many more are on the way.

There are really only two words that adequately sum up what I'm saying here, but I'm trying to keep the workload a little lighter on the mods. I'll give you credit for being smart enough to puzzle out what they might be.

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RE: The war on wildlife continues - 2/13/2012 7:35:16 PM

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Does every other species have to suffer because of our greed and addiction?

Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."--Genesis 1:24-26

In this crucial passage from the Old Testament, God grants mankind power over animals. But with this privilege comes the grave responsibility to respect life, to treat animals with simple dignity and compassion.

Somewhere along the way, something has gone wrong.

In Dominion, we witness the annual convention of Safari Club International, an organization whose wealthier members will pay up to $20,000 to hunt an elephant, a lion or another animal, either abroad or in American "safari ranches," where the animals are fenced in pens. We attend the annual International Whaling Commission conference, where the skewed politics of the whaling industry come to light, and the focus is on developing more lethal, but not more merciful, methods of harvesting "living marine resources." And we visit a gargantuan American "factory farm," where animals are treated as mere product and raised in conditions of mass confinement, bred for passivity and bulk, inseminated and fed with machines, kept in tightly confined stalls for the entirety of their lives, and slaughtered in a way that maximizes profits and minimizes decency.

Throughout Dominion, Scully counters the hypocritical arguments that attempt to excuse animal abuse: from those who argue that the Bible's message permits mankind to use animals as it pleases, to the hunter's argument that through hunting animal populations are controlled, to the popular and "scientifically proven" notions that animals cannot feel pain, experience no emotions, and are not conscious of their own lives.

The result is eye opening, painful and infuriating, insightful and rewarding. Dominion is a plea for human benevolence and mercy, a scathing attack on those who would dismiss animal activists as mere sentimentalists, and a demand for reform from the government down to the individual. Matthew Scully has created a groundbreaking work, a book of lasting power and importance for all of us.

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RE: The war on wildlife continues - 2/13/2012 8:31:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I daresay he has no point. He is just regurgitating what FOX and/or the Washington Times told him to say.

Now here's a fine example we can pull over to the debate thread, Hill. I have brought up a subject which is completely relevant to how IASS chose to title her thread, and illustrated that the concern for wildlife often varies widely, depending on what is killing it, and your response is to suggest that I'm simply a robotic mouthpiece. I'm calling that a personal insult, and I may need to get as eager on the report button as some of our leftie friends.

Perhaps you've forgotten already, but I was questioning what the fuck you were doing watching Fox, very recently, and expressing my own disdain for the network. I watch very little television at all (aside from my Top Gear habit, and some South Park or Beavis and Butthead off the DVR to go with a midnight snack), but I get my information from a wide variety of publications, and I'm as likely to cite HuffPo or the New York Times as any other source.

I dislike windmills, and raise issues of problems they create, not because I've been told to, but because I live in proximity to a hell of a lot of them, and there are plenty of people (who don't live here) who are eager to industrialize this whole fucking valley. They cover the hills and mountains to my north, sticking up like pickets during the day, and creating a sea of flashing red, FAA mandated, lights in the night. The towers of the power lines march across the huge horizon we used to have here, and many, many more are on the way.

There are really only two words that adequately sum up what I'm saying here, but I'm trying to keep the workload a little lighter on the mods. I'll give you credit for being smart enough to puzzle out what they might be.

I told you why I watched FOX. did you pay attention?

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RE: The war on wildlife continues - 2/13/2012 9:25:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I told you why I watched FOX. did you pay attention?

Does that have anything to with your personal insult?

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RE: The war on wildlife continues - 2/14/2012 6:13:53 AM

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So, the fact that 6 eagles were killed by a wind project justifies killing thousands of wolves in order to protect a caribou population that is going to be decimated by this tar sands project? Not quite following your "logic" here.

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I hear you. All those beautiful birds of prey, slaughtered by man's arrogance...

Federal authorities in the United States are investigating the deaths of at least six golden eagles at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power�s Pine Tree Wind Project in the Tehachapi Mountains, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Tuesday.

And I am not following your logic. Where did he say it justified anything?

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