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xssve -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/20/2012 5:42:28 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: xssve
There are Two very significant events in human history that could have led to the selection of a "rape gene" - the first is bipedalism and the loss of estrus in women, which meant that all the usual methodology for mating went right out the window, and nobody knows what the fuck to do, other than it apparently had no equivalent effect on male libido.
The second is the mitochondrial bottleneck, which corresponds to the Toba supereruption, about 75kya when the entire global human population may have been whittled down to mere thousands, and presumably, social adaptations had to be made which might have well included resorting to incest in order to rebuild the population.
If so, that might also have led to higher rates of random mutation, possibly even to the DRD 4 mutation, corresponding to roughly the same period, which was the latest really significant, population wide mutation, and there are like 7 different versions of it of which very little is presently known, other than it seems to have something to do with novelty seeking behaviors - i.e., a possible disruption of both biological "algorithms" and associated enculturated behavioral norms.
Just a hypothesis, take it or leave it.
Both of those events would select AGAINST the so-called 'rape gene' for reasons that have already been hashed out.
Humans with their long juvenile period needed both caregivers. Loss of the 'estrous period in human females has never been shown to have any correlation with the emergence of bipedalism. You are attempting to correlate the 2 and are showing ignorance.
Loss of the 'estrous period' in humans let to the female being more or less constantly receptive. This forced the male to pair bond permanently and led to more offspring reaching maturity. bipedalism has never been correlated with this event.
A correlation here with bipedalism can neither be proven nor disproven, you are correct, although bipedalism required significant and extensive mutations in the pelvic structure, as did cranial expansion, but what can be proven is that at some point, women lost estrus, cause they don't, and there is no telling when they became "constantly receptive" or how - I know quite a few who are seldom or never receptive, or least perversely enjoy pretending they aren't.
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
The "Toba Event" indeed bottlenecked human evolution. You say that it might have made incest necessary for survival. I'll grant that. What the FUCK is the correlation of incest and rape? Zero, zilch, noting and nada.
Although I had no intention of correlating them, I was talking about the mutation rate, try this:
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Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248
That's the second time I've quoted that passage.
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
With a shortage of available males in a small group of survivors, the remaining females would have probably been MORE receptive to random approach thus forcible intercourse would have been unnecessary. In another similar group with a shortage of females, lesser ranking males would have been killed or driven off making forcible intercourse impossible.
The hypothesis is disproved.
I'm sure you've read National Geographic a few times and maybe even an old copy of Science or Discover in the dentists office.
That means you know just enough to be dangerous.
No, I've just seen a lot of people in groups, under stress, and how they behave
In your first example, I've seen chicks go all gooey around a bunch of men, also seen them make a beeline for one guy and use him to fend off the others circling around.
In your second example, suppose the remaining females are pair bonded with those lesser ranking males?
Of course, I'm sure they'd be thrilled and overjoyed to see their life mates "run off" and impregnated in a truly "manly" fashion?
Didn't know what they were missin' probably, huh. [8|]
For that matter, standard primate mating behavior is, as often as not, basically gang banging a female in heat, if you're gonna stick to what you know, that's one to fall back on.
Main difference with primates is, the females have teeth, and spend all day swinging from trees too, but see sexual dimorphism.
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