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kalikshama -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 7:18:30 AM)
Jon Stewart never misses an opportunity to mock an outlandish Fox News clip, but the latest soundbite he pulled regarding women in the military left him nearly speechless. Fox News contributor Liz Trotta made headlines Sunday when she reacted to a 64% rise in violent sexual assaults in the military by saying "What did they expect? These people are in close contact," among other controversial remarks. Stewart was shocked by her nonchalance regarding women's safety, and her implied view that men can't help but assault their coworkers. "You know what they say, you can't make a co-ed omelette without raping a few eggs," he said, mimicking her audacity. Stewart was even more "horror-tained" by Trotta's next remarks regarding military spending. According to her, abuse counseling and response efforts are "bureaucracy" and a waste of money on women who are simply "being raped too much" "Think of how much cheaper it would be for all of us if they were raped just the right amount," Stewart said, shocked. For more, Stewart turned to Samantha Bee to get her take on Trotta's antiquated views on gender relations. Unlike Stewart, Bee totally gets it. Not only female service members but gal reporters, "teacherettes," lady doctors and other women should just expect to be sexually assaulted at work. "That's just the way it is when you're a woman intruding in a man's world," Bee said. "We expect to be paid slightly less and raped slightly more." http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-february-14-2012-ricky-gervais

kalikshama -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 7:41:48 AM)
quote: That said, is there a 64% increase in reported cases, or in per capita occuring cases? Reported cases. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40685586/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ DENVER — Sexual assault reports at the three U.S. military academies rose 64 percent in the 2009-10 academic year, but many more victims probably didn't come forward, the Defense Department said Wednesday. A total of 41 sexual assaults involving students were reported to authorities at West Point, the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy in 2009-10, the department said in its annual report on sexual harassment and violence. In the previous academic year, 25 were reported. Officials point to a survey of students at the three academies taken last spring as well as statistics from the civilian population as indicators that the reported sexual assaults represent fewer than 10 percent of all types of unwanted sexual contact, ranging from fondling to intercourse. It wasn't immediately clear what percentage of the respondents had reported behavior that would qualify as a sexual assault. Sexual offenses are "one of the nation's most underreported crimes," said Kaye Whitley, director of the Defense Department's Sexual Assault Prevention and Response program, which issued Wednesday's report. Whitley said improved reporting of sexual assaults is one of the department's key goals. The report calls the increase in assault reports "concerning," but Whitley said she was encouraged that more people came forward. She said the increase in reports doesn't necessarily mean that more people were assaulted. The Air Force Academy, in Colorado Springs, Colo., had the largest increase in reported sexual assaults, from eight in 2008-09 to 20 the next year, a jump of 150 percent. West Point — officially, the U.S. Military Academy, in West Point, N.Y. — reported 10 assaults in 2009-10, an increase of one. The Naval Academy, in Annapolis, Md., reported 11 assaults in 2009-10, an increase of three. Air Force Col. Reni Renner said the eight reported at the Air Force Academy in 2008-09 may have been unusually low. In 2006-07, 19 were reported, and in 2007-08, it was 24. Renner said she doesn't know the reason for the low number in 2008-09, but some at the academy have speculated that a sexual assault case that was dismissed instead of going to trial may have discouraged some victims to report. Renner said she also doesn't know why the Air Force Academy has more reports than the other two schools but said it could stem from the confidence students have in the academy's sexual assault response coordinator. The survey showed 47 percent of female respondents and the same percentage of males at the Air Force Academy regarded the coordinator as a valuable resource to "a large extent." At the Naval Academy and West Point, the percentages for the same answer ranged from 14 percent to 19 percent for female and male respondents.

TheBigDog -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 7:59:15 AM)
This is just more lies being told by misandrists who also naturally hate our soldiers. Their trying to make soldiers out to be rapists but that woman on Fox is right. You put men in situations like that and then you put these women who are really pawns of feminists and you say to them "You'll be a pioneer and a hero if you just go out and do this." Well what do they expect to happen? What benefit was their ever to putting women in the military in the first place? None. It's no surprise that this is all happening under the watch of the black Muslim who wants to destroy the military anyway. It's time someone did something about this.

Owner59 -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 8:07:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheBigDog This is just more lies being told by misandrists who also naturally hate our soldiers. Their trying to make soldiers out to be rapists but that woman on Fox is right. You put men in situations like that and then you put these women who are really pawns of feminists and you say to them "You'll be a pioneer and a hero if you just go out and do this." Well what do they expect to happen? What benefit was their ever to putting women in the military in the first place? None. It's no surprise that this is all happening under the watch of the black Muslim who wants to destroy the military anyway. It's time someone did something about this. Please....go right ahead and do something about this.......[8\|]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 8:09:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheBigDog This is just more lies being told by misandrists who also naturally hate our soldiers. Their trying to make soldiers out to be rapists but that woman on Fox is right. You put men in situations like that and then you put these women who are really pawns of feminists and you say to them "You'll be a pioneer and a hero if you just go out and do this." Well what do they expect to happen? What benefit was their ever to putting women in the military in the first place? None. It's no surprise that this is all happening under the watch of the black Muslim who wants to destroy the military anyway. It's time someone did something about this. Got a shred of evidence to back this up or is it more bullshit?

Owner59 -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 8:11:16 AM)
This one`s a waste of time, Bill.

xssve -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 8:12:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: When I was in, they came in both varieties, military and non-military. But we called them "dorm hos." "Field mattress" is the term we use in Norway. Health, al-Aswad. Been that way since there were armies. We had plenty of field mattresses, bless their hearts. I don't recall anybody being raped personally, although rapes occurred, but what goes on among the sea widows (wives) when their husbands are at sea for Six months at a stretch is whole different story, active military is really not the best job to have if you want a family, but celibacy is not particularly popular in the military, go figure. If they were smart, they'd just recruit sex workers to boost morale, and minimize rape and STD's - a lot of CO's probably would if they could in fact. Support the troops!

SoftBonds -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 8:16:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheBigDog This is just more lies being told by misandrists who also naturally hate our soldiers. Their trying to make soldiers out to be rapists but that woman on Fox is right. You put men in situations like that and then you put these women who are really pawns of feminists and you say to them "You'll be a pioneer and a hero if you just go out and do this." Well what do they expect to happen? What benefit was their ever to putting women in the military in the first place? None. It's no surprise that this is all happening under the watch of the black Muslim who wants to destroy the military anyway. It's time someone did something about this. I don't know which part of your post is most offensive sir. I don't think that female soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen (airwomen?) are "pawns of feminists." I have met female officers and enlisted, and was impressed with their professionalism and dedication to serving their nation. When you say "What do they expect to happen," you almost seem to be implying that a woman who serves with men is "asking to be raped." I find that offensive as you have just made out our solders to be rapists-as you complained about others doing. Our military has become more technical, more technological, and more demanding, even as the recruits available have declined (obesity alone takes out 30% of the potential recruits). We need the best folks we can get, and women help fill the holes in our force structure. I response to the main thread, I actually find it promising that reporting is up. Since the majority of sexual assaults go unreported, more reporting is at least as likely to indicate that the military is working harder to fight the problem than that actual assaults are up (and every time a case is reported it should make the perps nervous and maybe keep their hands to themselves). The rate of sexual assault reporting among alaska natives is really high, and I suspect that is because their culture supports women who report better than our culture does, rather than indicating that they are more likely to be raped.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 8:18:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 This one`s a waste of time, Bill. I'm just trying to figure out which shit stirrer that is on moderation at this time owns the sock. I'm starting to get a clue from the consistency of misspellings of certain words.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 8:25:57 AM)
I didn't want to enter this fray but, I have to ask: has anyone besides me noticed an important word: quote: ORIGINAL Kalikshama DENVER — Sexual assault reports at the three U.S. military academies rose 64 percent in the 2009-10 academic year, but many more victims probably didn't come forward, the Defense Department said Wednesday. Unless I'm reading that very wrong; we're talking about the military's colleges? Three points: 1) Yes, technically, all of these students are "in" the military but they're living a different lifestyle than they would be in actual full-time service. 2) They're in school and, therefore aren't fully really in the military. It's no different than a kid that enters enlisted ranks through a recruiting office and hasn't yet finished basic training/boot camp. They're not soldiers or marines (quite yet). They are there to learn how to be (junior) officers in our armed forces. They're not finished learning, yet. 3) One of the reasons for the academies is to weed out the non-hackers and trouble makers. I am not saying that excuses behavior but can we, *please* , stop referring to these people as being "the military". They ain't quite there yet and we are besmirching our actual brave and honorable (mostly) service men and women. Peace and comfort, Michael

Owner59 -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 8:34:03 AM)
FR : Couple things..... 1st we`re not talking about sex.Sex is consensual. We shouldn`t be conflating rape and sex. 2nd,a man(or woman) who forces himself on someone, against their will is a rapist. That doesn`t just happen willie-nillie out of nowhere. This conduct just doesn`t come and go, whenever..... What makes a man(or woman) a rapist was there before the attack and doesn`t go away after the attack, either. And people who wouldn`t otherwise be involved with it aren`t all of a sudden going to become rapists as soon as they are around women. The people committing these crimes would be victimizing whoever was around them, whether they were in the military or not. Saying "these things just happen" if we allow woman to serve, is a cowardly,cheap cop-out.

kalikshama -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 9:32:20 AM)
quote: Unless I'm reading that very wrong; we're talking about the military's colleges? Three points: 1) Yes, technically, all of these students are "in" the military but they're living a different lifestyle than they would be in actual full-time service. 2) They're in school and, therefore aren't fully really in the military. It's no different than a kid that enters enlisted ranks through a recruiting office and hasn't yet finished basic training/boot camp. They're not soldiers or marines (quite yet). They are there to learn how to be (junior) officers in our armed forces. They're not finished learning, yet. 3) One of the reasons for the academies is to weed out the non-hackers and trouble makers. I am not saying that excuses behavior but can we, please , stop referring to these people as being "the military". They ain't quite there yet and we are besmirching our actual brave and honorable (mostly) service men and women. Why are you assuming it's all student-on-student assaults?

masternoname -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 9:33:00 AM)
Before or after he pulls his head out of his ass? quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: TheBigDog This is just more lies being told by misandrists who also naturally hate our soldiers. Their trying to make soldiers out to be rapists but that woman on Fox is right. You put men in situations like that and then you put these women who are really pawns of feminists and you say to them "You'll be a pioneer and a hero if you just go out and do this." Well what do they expect to happen? What benefit was their ever to putting women in the military in the first place? None. It's no surprise that this is all happening under the watch of the black Muslim who wants to destroy the military anyway. It's time someone did something about this. Please....go right ahead and do something about this.......[8\|]

masternoname -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 9:38:30 AM)
good catch I missed that part it is disheartening to see this rise in any case. I wonder if it is really that more women are being attacked or more are reporting it. I would think someone should be looking into that. quote: I didn't want to enter this fray but, I have to ask: has anyone besides me noticed an important word: quote: ORIGINAL Kalikshama DENVER — Sexual assault reports at the three U.S. military academies rose 64 percent in the 2009-10 academic year, but many more victims probably didn't come forward, the Defense Department said Wednesday. Unless I'm reading that very wrong; we're talking about the military's colleges?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 10:19:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Why are you assuming it's all student-on-student assaults? I didn't assume that. I pointed out that the "64%" number was reached by examining the military academies. I made no assumption about which way the attacks moved (student/non-student or vice versa). I merely pointed out that these people shouldn't truly be considered "the military" because technically, they aren't. As I stated, part of the job of the academies is to weed out the ones who shouldn't serve. The "64%" number wasn't a "survey" of the military. It was a "survey" of the military academies. You're talking about college stuidents who wear a uniform. Again; *not* an excuse for the behavior; just a distinction between honest-to-goodness soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines and the crucibles which turn them out. Peace and comfort, Michael

kalikshama -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 10:31:06 AM)
quote: You're talking about college stuidents who wear a uniform. Again; not an excuse for the behavior; just a distinction between honest-to-goodness soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines and the crucibles which turn them out. The flaw in your thinking is that everybody at a military academy is a student. The assaulters could have been instructors, who aren't trainees. quote: The "64%" number wasn't a "survey" of the military. It was a "survey" of the military academies. While I did refer to a VA survey earlier in this thread, this report of a 64% increase in sexual assault reports at military academies is not a survey but a report on all the sex assaults reported, which the DOD estimates to be 10% of actual assaults.

RacerJim -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 10:40:52 AM)
My younger brother was a Sophmore at West Point when they accepted the first female cadets (1976). To say that he said the place immediately went to hell in a hand basket is putting it mildly.

kalikshama -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 10:42:55 AM)
Which was worse, accepting females or blacks?

mnottertail -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 10:48:03 AM)
The army didnt want them there. The Administration, Faculty and male cadets didnt want them there. Of course it went to hell for them. But the world didn't fall into a vagina, and women in our military are still serving proudly, and with excellence.

tazzygirl -> RE: Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: 'What Did They Expect?' (2/15/2012 10:55:15 AM)
~FR Of course this sort of thing never happens. quote: The Tailhook scandal refers to a series of incidents where more than 100 U.S. Navy and United States Marine Corps aviation officers were alleged to have sexually assaulted at least 87 women, or otherwise engaged in "improper and indecent" conduct at the Las Vegas Hilton in Las Vegas, Nevada. The events took place at the 35th Annual Tailhook Association Symposium from September 8–12, 1991. The term can also refer to the resulting investigations conducted by the Department of the Navy and the Inspector General of the Department of Defense. As a result of the subsequent investigations, a number of officers were formally disciplined or refused advancement in rank. Controversially, military officers and observers have alleged that flag officers attending the symposium were not held accountable for knowingly allowing the behavior in question to occur. Military critics claimed that the scandal highlighted a hostile attitude in US military culture towards women in the areas of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and equal treatment of women in career advancement and opportunity. Of course it only happens at acadamies. quote: In September 1991, the 35th annual symposium in Las Vegas featured a two-day debrief on Navy and Marine Corps aviation in Operation Desert Storm. It was the largest such meeting yet held, with some 4,000 attendees: active, reserve, and retired personnel. Of course it doesnt matter. quote: According to a Department of Defense (DoD) report, 83 women and 7 men stated that they had been victims of sexual assault and harassment during the meeting. Several participants later stated that a number of flag officers attending the meetings were aware of the sexual assaults, but did nothing to stop them Of course it goes to show that men just cant help themselves, the poor defenseless creatures who allow their cocks to rule their heads, and their lives, to their detriment of their careers. quote: The issues were never quite settled, and as late as 2002, the Tailhook chairman spoke of "the alleged misconduct that occurred in 1991".[2] For several years after Tailhook '91 Promotion board results were delayed while a special review was conducted to ensure that any person with an adverse connection to Tailhook '91 was not promoted. Of course... [8\|]

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