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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 12:51:56 AM   
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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 5:28:53 AM   
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All of your food is genetically engineered via a technique we're used to calling "selective breeding." Get over it.

Really? When is the last time a tomato fucked an octopus? How did that work out? And do you mind terribly if I don't want to eat it?

I mean, what's it to ya?

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 6:36:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder when we're going to see a similar Denialgate for biotech companies. The misinformation campaign appears to be fairly effective judging by the selective breeding / grafting = GM, etc. comments here.

I'm not opposed to biotech in general - I've been an ardent SF fan for 30+ years. I object to sleazy business practices, insufficient or nonexistent testing, and LACK OF LABELING.

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 7:18:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is indeed. The comment about GM food being better for the environment is a good example too. Really? Since many GMO plants are bred for resistance to roundup so that MORE pesticides can be used, that comment ranks right up there with grafting. Science education has either failed worse in this country than I had thought, or the Monsanto publicity machine is just that good.
This whole conversation is starting to remind me of Samuel L Jackson's line in Pulp Fiction. Sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'll never know because I will never eat one of the filthy motherfuckers.
I have already signed the petition, and I prefer to choose what I eat based on information that is not filtered by the good folks at Monsanto.
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I wonder when we're going to see a similar Denialgate for biotech companies. The misinformation campaign appears to be fairly effective judging by the selective breeding / grafting = GM, etc. comments here.

I'm not opposed to biotech in general - I've been an ardent SF fan for 30+ years. I object to sleazy business practices, insufficient or nonexistent testing, and LACK OF LABELING.


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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 7:51:58 AM   
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Adenosine
Cytosine
Guanosine
Thymidine
The building blocks of proteins. The genetic code works by specifying the order of amino acids in proteins. The proteins act as the functional components of cells.

Each amino acid building block of a protein is specified by the order of nucleotides (A,C,T and G) in the gene for that protein. Three adjacent nucleotides, called a codon, are required to specify one amino acid. The genetic code can be displayed in a table that translates each of the 64 possible triplet codons into an amino acid. There are 64 possible combinations resulting from having one of four nucleotides in each of three possible positions in the codon (4 X 4 X 4 = 64).
Of the 22 standard amino acids 9 are essential.
Some amino acids are toxic.

And they build more than amino acids.   again, the difference between a human and a dog genetically is very small. But tis enough you wont think one a woman. 

There has already been unhealthy bioengineered food designed before. Monsanto's genetically modified Bt corn which produces the pesticide within the plant itself has already been cross pollinated with corn grown for human consumption and has sickened people.

People allergic to Brazil nuts have had allergic reactions to Soy Beans modified with Brazil Nut genes.

So, give me 50 years of data thats about a half-life, then tell me its ok. Cuz Monsanto, which owns 90% of the agri-biotech don't give a fuck. 

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 2:07:05 PM   
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There has already been unhealthy bioengineered food designed before. Monsanto's genetically modified Bt corn which produces the pesticide within the plant itself has already been cross pollinated with corn grown for human consumption and has sickened people.

People allergic to Brazil nuts have had allergic reactions to Soy Beans modified with Brazil Nut genes.

So, give me 50 years of data thats about a half-life, then tell me its ok. Cuz Monsanto, which owns 90% of the agri-biotech don't give a fuck. 

Bt corn that caused problems was not Monsanto to start with. It was StarLink from Aventis which is part of Bayer.

Yes transgenic soy beans have caused allergic reactions. In pre release safety testing and when the GMO was found to cause the allergic reaction the project was ended.
http://academicsreview.org/reviewed-content/genetic-roulette/section-3/3-1-gm-soybeans-and-allergens/

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 2:16:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		That doesn't make it ok, that it was from the aspirin firm.  Again, people got sick, that is what should be the focus.

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 2:36:58 PM   
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There has already been unhealthy bioengineered food designed before. Monsanto's genetically modified Bt corn which produces the pesticide within the plant itself has already been cross pollinated with corn grown for human consumption and has sickened people.

People allergic to Brazil nuts have had allergic reactions to Soy Beans modified with Brazil Nut genes.

So, give me 50 years of data thats about a half-life, then tell me its ok. Cuz Monsanto, which owns 90% of the agri-biotech don't give a fuck. 

Bt corn that caused problems was not Monsanto to start with. It was StarLink from Aventis which is part of Bayer.

Yes transgenic soy beans have caused allergic reactions. In pre release safety testing and when the GMO was found to cause the allergic reaction the project was ended.
http://academicsreview.org/reviewed-content/genetic-roulette/section-3/3-1-gm-soybeans-and-allergens/

There have been gm food in the US that was approved only as animal feed that did actually make it into the human food supply.. I have read about that before and posted it on a gmo thread a few months ago.. So the whole gmo thing isnt as safe as monsanto and friends try to portray it.. I make no apologies for not trusting those bastards..

"A GM corn, considered allergenic by the U.S EPA was approved as animal feed, yet it contaminated the human food supply and thousands reported health effects, some life-threatening . A GM pea produced by the CSIRO induced an allergic-type inflammatory response in mice, yet the same protein when produced naturally in beans, had no effect ."
http://www.kindredcommunity.com/articles/rising-allergies-are-gm-foods-to-blame/p/1943

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 4:47:06 PM   
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That doesn't make it ok, that it was from the aspirin firm.  Again, people got sick, that is what should be the focus.

Just making the point that Monsanto while not angelic by any means is also not the source of all woe.


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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 4:55:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
There has already been unhealthy bioengineered food designed before. Monsanto's genetically modified Bt corn which produces the pesticide within the plant itself has already been cross pollinated with corn grown for human consumption and has sickened people.

People allergic to Brazil nuts have had allergic reactions to Soy Beans modified with Brazil Nut genes.

So, give me 50 years of data thats about a half-life, then tell me its ok. Cuz Monsanto, which owns 90% of the agri-biotech don't give a fuck. 

Bt corn that caused problems was not Monsanto to start with. It was StarLink from Aventis which is part of Bayer.

Yes transgenic soy beans have caused allergic reactions. In pre release safety testing and when the GMO was found to cause the allergic reaction the project was ended.
http://academicsreview.org/reviewed-content/genetic-roulette/section-3/3-1-gm-soybeans-and-allergens/

There have been gm food in the US that was approved only as animal feed that did actually make it into the human food supply.. I have read about that before and posted it on a gmo thread a few months ago.. So the whole gmo thing isnt as safe as monsanto and friends try to portray it.. I make no apologies for not trusting those bastards..

"A GM corn, considered allergenic by the U.S EPA was approved as animal feed, yet it contaminated the human food supply and thousands reported health effects, some life-threatening . A GM pea produced by the CSIRO induced an allergic-type inflammatory response in mice, yet the same protein when produced naturally in beans, had no effect ."
http://www.kindredcommunity.com/articles/rising-allergies-are-gm-foods-to-blame/p/1943

Actually it was 28 people and StarLink was the corn implicated although extensive testing was at best inconclusive. As to the rest of the article in question, horseshit.

Scientists who study allegies and allergens think the upswing in allegies is primarily overdiagnosis and exposure to things like nuts at too young an age before the immune system is ready to handle such.

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 5:41:21 PM   
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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 6:02:37 PM   
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Oh for christ's sake. How many times do we have to cover this same ground.
Look sweetie, if you are going to start a post with some insulting remark, like "sign up for the get a clue button", you might want to check your facts first. Otherwise, you just like an idiot.
Starting with your first statement. The pear tree in your back yard with three varieties? Sorry, it has not been genetically modified. It was grafted. Has nothing to do with genes, in even the loosest sense. Your other two statements are BS too, but the one about the tree was my favorite.
Gee, I am thinking you must have grown up on a farm, or something. NOT.
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Sign up for the "Get a Clue" button.

Hon....there ain't no such thing as "food", there's ONLY genetically modified food.

You know that tree in the back yard that has 3 different kinds of pears on it?

G.M.F.

ANY corn since they discovered corn?

G.M.F.

Damn near anything you've bought in the last 7 years?

G.M.F.

A BETTER (more logical) request would be to have them identify what was NOT G.M.F.....so you could actually (knowledgeably) choose....real food.

Even if you plant it....it's (more than probably) G.M.F.

There is another alternative....here's one (there are others):

http://www.ehow.com/how_4701355_non-genetically-modified-seeds.html




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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 7:05:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree but at times, shit still filters through no matter how you feed yourself.

HFCS can be different from cane sugar but I am the one cutting down on my soda intake (one diet soda a week). My "beef" is mainly using fake sweetners (I am responding to Splenda favorfully) that can affect my fibromyalgia. Now I have been told to cut out the weekly soda (buggers) because of my medicine.

Everyone has factors that respond differently to GMO. Monsanto is not the only devil in food hell. Poisons are still being used to kill bugs because disease resistance crops are abound.

Now, I just want a ribeye without worrying about it if has been mistreated in a slaughterhouse.

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/17/2012 8:56:18 PM   
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Scientists who study allegies and allergens think the upswing in allegies is primarily overdiagnosis and exposure to things like nuts at too young an age before the immune system is ready to handle such.

hmmm, really?.. I got my allergies when i was 26 years old.. my immune system should have been very well developed by then..

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/18/2012 5:54:26 AM   
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Now, I just want a ribeye without worrying about it if has been mistreated in a slaughterhouse.


Or a Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations

“The present system of producing food
animals in the United States is not sustainable
and presents an unprecedented level of risk to public health and damage to the environment,
as well as unnecessary harm to the animals
we raise as food.”

—Robert Martin, Director of the Pew Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production

In the United States and other parts of the world, livestock production is becoming increasingly dominated by concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs). In a CAFO, animals are crammed by the thousands or tens of thousands, often unable to breathe fresh air, see the light of day, walk outside, peck at a plants or insects, scratch the earth, or eat a blade of grass.

Over 50 billion food animals are raised and slaughtered every year (not including massive quantities of farmed fish). Grazing and growing feed for livestock now occupy 70 percent of all agricultural land and 30 percent of the ice-free terrestrial surface of the planet. If present trends continue, meat production is predicted to double between the turn of the 21st century and 2050. Yet already, the Earth is being overwhelmed by food animals that consume massive quantities of energy and resources, whose wastes foul waterways and farmlands, and when eaten excessively, degrade our health.

CAFO: The Tragedy of Industrial Animal Factories is a powerful indictment of modern food production. But as the book shows, it doesn't have to be this way. Ultimately, CAFO offers a compelling vision for a healthier food system: one that is humane, sound for farmers and communities, and safer for consumers and the environment.

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 2/18/2012 6:08:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		While more humanely raised beef is indeed much more expensive, when MHR chicken is on sale, it is comparable, so I look for sales, stock up (freeze), and eat mostly chicken, canned wild salmon, and farmer's market eggs, and save beef for a super sale and monthly when my iron is especially low.

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RE: Petition: mandatory labeling of genetically enginee... - 3/28/2012 5:34:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		One Million Strong: Record-Breaking Comments Delivered to FDA to Label GE Foods

Congratulations, together, we have made history. We now stand more than one million strong in asking the FDA to label genetically engineered (GE) foods. Today, March 27 is the date that the FDA is required to respond to the petition and it took us less than 180 days to accumulate a record breaking number of public comments—a testament to the power of our collective voices to demand our right to know what’s in our food. This campaign’s strength is due to the over 500 diverse partner organizations who helped galvanize the American people to this moment.

We know that one million is just a start. Today, a new national survey commissioned by Just Label It reveals that more than nine out of 10 of Americans across the political spectrum supports labeling food that has been genetically engineered. The new infographic below is a compelling visual that shares the results of the survey data.



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