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Spain had no decent claim on louisiana.

Treaty of san ildefonso.

The Islands you claim were appropriated by the US military were UNINHABITED. Who are they pointing a fucking gun at?

If you are the u.s. navy you are the guns and whoever may have previously held claim to those islands acquiessed.

Gadsden purchase at the point of a gun? Why did they fucking BUY it instead of taking it. Unless you can back it up, I'm calling bullshit.

The u.s. also "bought" california,arizona,new mexico,nevada,colorado,texas and parts of several other states.
If someone has a .45 in your ear you will sell what ever he ask for and accept what ever they are paying.

No land was taken during the revolution west of the Mississippi.

The Brits had some claims on the red river basin and needed money to fund their previous war against france.

The history books say otherwise. The 1818 treaty settled boundries set out of ignorance. The settlement resolves boundries from the revolutionary war.

Same reason France sold us Louisiana to fund their war against England.

Their inability to defend it and the fact that they were selling shit that did not belong to them made it a totally sweet deal.

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ORIGINAL: susie

I never really rated him much as an actor but he certainly has less respect from me now

Obviously it would help if he understood a little about the real postion before spouting his mouth off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100858/Sean-Penns-idiot-fool-Falklands-hero-Simon-Weston-hits-back.html

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I don't believe half the shit he does, and I think he's a phenomenal actor but, could he run a business?

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I don't believe half the shit he does, and I think he's a phenomenal actor but, could he run a business?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Spain had no decent claim on louisiana.

Treaty of san ildefonso.

The Islands you claim were appropriated by the US military were UNINHABITED. Who are they pointing a fucking gun at?

If you are the u.s. navy you are the guns and whoever may have previously held claim to those islands acquiessed.

Gadsden purchase at the point of a gun? Why did they fucking BUY it instead of taking it. Unless you can back it up, I'm calling bullshit.

The u.s. also "bought" california,arizona,new mexico,nevada,colorado,texas and parts of several other states.
If someone has a .45 in your ear you will sell what ever he ask for and accept what ever they are paying.

No land was taken during the revolution west of the Mississippi.

The Brits had some claims on the red river basin and needed money to fund their previous war against france.

The history books say otherwise. The 1818 treaty settled boundries set out of ignorance. The settlement resolves boundries from the revolutionary war.

Same reason France sold us Louisiana to fund their war against England.

Their inability to defend it and the fact that they were selling shit that did not belong to them made it a totally sweet deal.

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Seeing as how the treaty of San Ildefonso was in 1800 and Spain quitclaimed it's rights to Louisiana to France and THEN France sold it to the US, We didn't hold a gun to their heads. For the reason of this discussion the fact that the US amicably bought from France makes it a legit purchase by us.

Actually there are three treaties of san ildefonso. They were signed while the king of spain and the royal family were the "guests" of napoleon. The treaties, if you were to read them, indicate that spain still holds title to louisiana but that france had a protectorate. This is why the spanish had to send an emmisary to the signing of the sale documents. Jefferson knowingly bought stolen property from the man who held the lawful owner and his family prisoner.

The US navy claimed those uninhabited islands. Do you have any evidence that anyone else knew they existed, much less claimed them.


Were you to acquaint yourself with the history of oceana you would know.

Your 'force argument' has no veracity if noone else knew that the land in question even existed.

Oceana was well populated and the islands charted. That these people had no voice with the navies of the world does not change anything.

You say the US also 'bought' other things at gunpoint. yes, they did. You asked in an earlier post to show that the US had legitimately come by any land besides the purchase of Alaska and I showed several.


No I asked:

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
With the exception of alaska which part of the u.s. did we acquire without the force of arms or the threat there of?

Your correct answer was the virgin islands.
The point was and is that the overwhelming majority of the u.s. was acquired by force of arms or the threat there of.

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The point was and is that the overwhelming majority of the u.s. was acquired by force of arms or the threat there of.

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

Shit, if I had wealth and influence, Congress would already have taken delivery on their new WOOPIE CUSHION FURNITURE.

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
Shit, if I had wealth and influence, Congress would already have taken delivery on their new WOOPIE CUSHION FURNITURE.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'll agree with your statement that most of the US was acquired under force of arms but here is your original question.

"With the exception of alaska which part of the u.s. did we acquire without the force of arms or the threat there of? "

Yes, I was referring to the third treaty of Ildefonso. My point of Louisiana is WE didn't threaten anyone. they wanted to sell and we wanted to buy. What France did to obtain the treaty a few years beforehand is not relevant to your question.


They did not want to sell it. Jefferson put together the voyage of discovery, which was a military expedition. He then approached napoleon about navigation access to new orleans. Napoleon knew he was in no position to repel the voyage of discovery so he decided to sell his stolen property to jefferson and come back later and reposses it when he was done england.
The voyage of discovery was armed with the most advanced weapon of the time...a repeating air rifle that would shoot more than 20 .46 cal bullets before recharging.
The spanish did mount an expedition to intercept lewis and clark. Were it not for sakajawea they would have been intercepted by a much larger military force.

As for the islands we acquired in the pacific, you might not have noticed the word "uninhabited".

How long were the falklands "uninhabited" by anything but a brass plaque? The natives of oceana did not have brass plaques to mark their turf.

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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I don't believe half the shit he does, and I think he's a phenomenal actor but, could he run a business?

I just want to know who wrote the international law that a person who enjoys celebrity is committing a crime or something.

He's a guy who's using his wealth and his influence to do things he feels are important.

Shit, if I had wealth and influence, Congress would already have taken delivery on their new WOOPIE CUSHION FURNITURE.

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But, what in heaven's name, is WOOPIE CUSHION FURNITURE?

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Well said.

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I'd go for concealed spikes myself.
Wired up to a car battery...

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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But, what in heaven's name, is WOOPIE CUSHION FURNITURE?

If I were wealthy enough it would already exist.... But picture a nice Thomasville desk chair with red leather padded armrests and a b=nice cushy red leather seat ... perhaps a nice eagle claw foot on each leg. You sit down on it and the longest most excruciatingly wet sounding fart noise is emitted.
   Trust me it would be humbling every time a session of congress was called to order.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'll agree with your statement that most of the US was acquired under force of arms but here is your original question.

"With the exception of alaska which part of the u.s. did we acquire without the force of arms or the threat there of? "

Yes, I was referring to the third treaty of Ildefonso. My point of Louisiana is WE didn't threaten anyone. they wanted to sell and we wanted to buy. What France did to obtain the treaty a few years beforehand is not relevant to your question.


They did not want to sell it. Jefferson put together the voyage of discovery, which was a military expedition. He then approached napoleon about navigation access to new orleans. Napoleon knew he was in no position to repel the voyage of discovery so he decided to sell his stolen property to jefferson and come back later and reposses it when he was done england.
The voyage of discovery was armed with the most advanced weapon of the time...a repeating air rifle that would shoot more than 20 .46 cal bullets before recharging.
The spanish did mount an expedition to intercept lewis and clark. Were it not for sakajawea they would have been intercepted by a much larger military force.

As for the islands we acquired in the pacific, you might not have noticed the word "uninhabited".

How long were the falklands "uninhabited" by anything but a brass plaque? The natives of oceana did not have brass plaques to mark their turf.