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ORIGINAL: MrBukani page 14 post 262 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4054424

I have to question my own hypocrisy and double standards always.

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ORIGINAL: Kainundeva page 14 post 263 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4054427

Immanuel Kant made it clear:
Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction.

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Immanuel Kant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant

It always remains a scandal of philosophy and universal human reason that the existence of things outside us ... should have to be assumed merely on faith, and that if it occurs to anyone to doubt it, we should be unable to answer him with a satisfactory proof.

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Immanuel Kant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant

Kant argued that experience is purely subjective without first being processed by pure reason. He also said that using reason without applying it to experience will only lead to theoretical illusions.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc

The historian Kelly DeVries describes the period preceding her appearance in the following terms: "If anything could have discouraged her, the state of France in 1429 should have."

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM page 14 post 265 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4055379

So what is it with the Pope kind of saying indirectly, "You're right, I am Satan."

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Maybe He will be kind enough to kick your ass and show you the true nature of the force.

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds post 26 from another thread http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4055311

3. The war on terror included acts of kidnapping and torture, which also destroyed our ability to claim the "moral high ground." America stopped being the good guys who accepted some problems in order to hold to our ideals, and became instead the nation equivalent of the preacher who decries immorality then is caught smoking meth with a gay prostitute. We chose to pursue the tactics of "the ends justify the means," and found ourselves in the land of hypocrisy.

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APOSTOLIC LETTER MULIERIS DIGNITATEM OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF JOHN PAUL II ON THE DIGNITY AND VOCATION OF WOMEN ON THE OCCASION OF THE MARIAN YEAR
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_15081988_mulieris-dignitatem_en.html

... The Church gives thanks for all the manifestations of the feminine "genius" which have appeared in the course of history, in the midst of all peoples and nations; she gives thanks for all the charisms which the Holy Spirit distributes to women in the history of the People of God, for all the victories which she owes to their faith, hope and charity: she gives thanks for all the fruits of feminine holiness. ...

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

I am uncertain of the wisdom, i.e. prudence, of sharing with all of you a story from my life. I do so at least for what I believe to be a good cause. I hedged not to indicate doubt on my part, but to be polite. Technically, to do this is to commit an act of moral contradiction, i.e. hypocrisy.

A few hours ago, I went to a penance service. I went to confession already, but I did not know it was the day they were holding the penance service. It was nice. I put it, "The penance service was nice and was worth going to even though I did not need to per se. All that sin being forgiven in one place at one time. It was like rose petals." Anyway, I asked a young woman that was in line in front of me, having thought of something humorous and wanting to share it with someone, Is it a sin to cut in line? There was some confusion earlier concerning where the end of the line was. I explained to her that I was not accusing her of it. Since I did not know, I was at risk. This incident reminded me of a childhood memory of mine.

I was at Disneyland, it was at the end of the day, and soon I would have to leave. The line around the Matterhorn was long, it wrapped around the Matterhorn more than once, and I had never gotten the chance to ride the Matterhorn. It was my last chance. Near the beginning of the line, I asked a couple of girls if I could cut in line. They agreed. It made for a pleasant memory. A worldly/materialistic interpretation of law would say I had committed a wrong or if not a wrong, in some sense a wrong. If this were something I was inclined to do, I would agree. I am not inclined to do such things, but that day I was unusually wise. If I had not done so, I would not have this memory that I have today. My conscience is clear having wronged no one including myself. The distinction I am drawing here when I wrote including myself is significant. Though I do not feel that it is usually best not to cut in line, I did once. Not only did I do it once I am unrepentant. Technically speaking, this makes me a hypocrite.

What some may not understand is the concept of mitigating circumstances and such is other worldly. I will be getting around to posting something on the law of unintended consequences soon.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

The following is an excerpt from a letter that I just wrote. I thought that everyone here might find what I wrote, at a minimum, entertaining and perhaps thought provoking.

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... together with some other switches such as the /FU switch are likely needed. Someone had to have a sense of humor or lack thereof in naming that switch. ... I hate to make a Pinhead of the Hellraiser franchise analogy, but Microsoft is Pinhead. What is going to be the path of least resistance for you? Certainly, the web browser based technologies, but they will get you stuck in a kind of prison downstream.

Is sex, for example, evil? It certainly has an evil character that needs to be suppressed. The instruments of suppression that are available to man tend to be violent and I believe this is partially motivated by what xssve wrote in post 174 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4046592: "... I don't think they were talking about a homeschoolers - 'Philosophy' literally means, 'a love of knowledge' it will not steer you wrong, although it is not for the many."

What xssve wrote has grave implications. Unless the people can be philosophers, they must be told the difference between right and wrong, forcefully. Is this not what many here are complaining about? Is this a deficit in the authorities or a deficit in people? It appears to me that there is plenty of sin to go around.

What is wrong with homeschoolers? Are not your views aristocratic in a sense similar to how the Church is aristocratic? You need a teacher with credentials in order to discover enlightenment? There is a strong tendency for this to be true. Abraham is remembered for being the father of the faith for a reason, not because his faith (closeness to God, not mere belief in God) was ordinary. Such men are rare. Typically, but not always a teacher is needed. You need someone to show you the way.

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ORIGINAL: xssve

It's a consent issue: you obtained consent from the girls you cut in line with, but did you obtain consent from everybody behind them? I don't know about "a sin" but it's ethically ambiguous at best - how do you know there was not some other little boy who didn't cut, and never got to ride the Matterhorn because of your selfish act?

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ORIGINAL: xssve

Moral ambiguity is the price of consciousness - to eat from the tree of knowledge is accept the burden of conscience.

Religious morality, at best, resolves these ambiguities through hypocrisy - it's not ok to abort babies, but it is ok to steal land from natives, enslave Africans, and bomb Muslims back into the stone age because they aren't Christian.

And, inevitably, it's ok to murder other Christians because they aren't the right sort of Christians.

It's just institutionalized hypocrisy, with Shaman service to salve your stunted conscience.

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This is shocking that you are unable to comprehend a simple thing such as this: The Church is not God. It can only do so much.

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What is wrong with homeschoolers? Are not your views aristocratic in a sense similar to how the Church is aristocratic? You need a teacher with credentials in order to discover enlightenment? There is a strong tendency for this to be true. Abraham is remembered for being the father of the faith for a reason, not because his faith (closeness to God, not mere belief in God) was ordinary. Such men are rare. Typically, but not always a teacher is needed. You need someone to show you the way.

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ORIGINAL: xssve

I'm a leg and ass man myself.