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Is the pin metric or ASE? Could vary the number

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I prefer the thank yous to be expressed in US currency btw.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Some men drool over women with big buds, others like thick trunks, I'm more of a root man myself.



K.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani
Religious believers, spiritual believers and non believers could agree on what words really mean.
Only then a discussion can succeed on any level.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani
Religious believers, spiritual believers and non believers could agree on what words really mean.
Only then a discussion can succeed on any level.

I also think that defining terms is really helpful, I don't suppose you'd consider actually defining yours? As in, stop talking about wind and sails and karma and give an actual definition of what you think the soul is supposed to be.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
In a sense, it's a bit like trying to convey the sense of music through words - a pretty difficult undertaking that will at best always fall short of the goal.

I submit that given schematics for every bit of hardware in your computer, source code for every bit of software, a textbook on precisely how the two interact and a binary printout of an mp3, you still wouldn't have a sense of that song but that doesn't mean that there's "something extra" in your computer.

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I wasn't aware that I had in any way suggested "some unknown animating force."

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Would you deduce from this that I'm "suggesting dualism"?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
I do hope you aren't asserting the origins of (say) love, or the need to love and be loved are located in the limbic system.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/200906/cupid-s-poisoned-arrow-primer
Human love lives are complex. One of the underlying reasons may be that we have two conflicting genetic programs at work in our limbic system, both of which have subtle, but powerful influences on our intimate relationships. I will discuss those programs, and the tension between them, at length in other posts, but here let me clarify what I mean by some terms I will be using. I'll update this post as needed.

The limbic system, pictured above, is a very old part of the brain, which is surprisingly similar in all mammals. This explains why experiments on rats can help scientists understand how human brains function. As my husband observed, "Scientists aren't doing experiments on rats to learn how to help rats with their erections and addictions."

So why should lovers care about their brain's limbic system? Because it is the part of the brain from which our emotions and drives arise. It's where we experience the thrills of sexual arousal and orgasm (and their aftermath). The limbic system is also where we fall in (and out) of love. It operates subconsciously, recording our likes and dislikes, coloring our impressions, and judging every experience and person constantly...and instantly.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
I do hope you aren't asserting the origins of (say) love, or the need to love and be loved are located in the limbic system.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/200906/cupid-s-poisoned-arrow-primer
Human love lives are complex. One of the underlying reasons may be that we have two conflicting genetic programs at work in our limbic system, both of which have subtle, but powerful influences on our intimate relationships. I will discuss those programs, and the tension between them, at length in other posts, but here let me clarify what I mean by some terms I will be using. I'll update this post as needed.

The limbic system, pictured above, is a very old part of the brain, which is surprisingly similar in all mammals. This explains why experiments on rats can help scientists understand how human brains function. As my husband observed, "Scientists aren't doing experiments on rats to learn how to help rats with their erections and addictions."

So why should lovers care about their brain's limbic system? Because it is the part of the brain from which our emotions and drives arise. It's where we experience the thrills of sexual arousal and orgasm (and their aftermath). The limbic system is also where we fall in (and out) of love. It operates subconsciously, recording our likes and dislikes, coloring our impressions, and judging every experience and person constantly...and instantly.

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Would you deduce from this that I'm "suggesting dualism"?

Trying to "deduce" your position is not a game I wish to play; it is a shell game. It is either a game you play or you are not able to articulate a clear position. Both are non-productive. We shall have to wait to see what tweakabelle comes up with.

My position is that your explanation proposes magic, and that there has to be a different one. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. As to what that alternative explanation might be, I admit it is difficult to pin someone down who is willing to say that they don't know.

K.

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AFAIK, there is nothing anyone can do about this, except change the rules of knowledge. To assert that logic and reason are the only route to a complete and consistent understanding is to make a claim that can easily be described as superstitious. Logic and reason are usually the best routes to understanding, but to assert that they are always the best and only route is not justified by current epistemological understandings.

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AFAIK, there is nothing anyone can do about this, except change the rules of knowledge. To assert that logic and reason are the only route to a complete and consistent understanding is to make a claim that can easily be described as superstitious. Logic and reason are usually the best routes to understanding, but to assert that they are always the best and only route is not justified by current epistemological understandings.

But Tweak, logic and reason married to empirical research and peer review are pretty hard to beat, aren't they? They have produced a pretty marvelous revolution in the West these last 500 years. So, you imply that there are some phenomena that require other "non-western" routes. Awaiting your elaboration with interest.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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AFAIK, there is nothing anyone can do about this, except change the rules of knowledge. To assert that logic and reason are the only route to a complete and consistent understanding is to make a claim that can easily be described as superstitious. Logic and reason are usually the best routes to understanding, but to assert that they are always the best and only route is not justified by current epistemological understandings.

But Tweak, logic and reason married to empirical research and peer review are pretty hard to beat, aren't they? They have produced a pretty marvelous revolution in the West these last 500 years. So, you imply that there are some phenomena that require other "non-western" routes. Awaiting your elaboration with interest.

Yes. They are excellent research methodologies. My position is that doesn't mean that they are not always the best and only methodologies. There are some areas where 'scientific' methodologies cannot be applied rigourously. How can any human be "objective" in relation to humans? I don't see how it's possible. And if it's impossible, how can the scientific method be practised or the "best and only" methodology? There is a school of thought that argues that the term 'human or social sciences' is oxymoronic.

Even within a scientific paradigm, it is agreed that machines cannot understand themselves. Doesn't this imply that the scientific method will not be successful in delivering a complete understanding of humans? Isn't insisting on 'science' as the only route to understanding a demand that science deliver more than it is constitutionally capable of delivering? That is to say, an exercise in futility.