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OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what about... - 2/19/2012 5:04:47 AM

farglebargle

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Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception but at some later stage. Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, unless you insist that identical twins are of the devil.

Science. It works, bitches.

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 5:51:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception but at some later stage. Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, unless you insist that identical twins are of the devil.

Science. It works, bitches.

Demonstrably not possible? Demonstrate please.

Of the devil? Insisting on something is hardly science, and just how would "of the devil" not violate your own posit of demonstrably not possible?

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 5:57:59 AM

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Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception but at some later stage. Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, unless you insist that identical twins are of the devil.

Science. It works, bitches.

Demonstrably not possible? Demonstrate please.

Of the devil? Insisting on something is hardly science, and just how would "of the devil" not violate your own posit of demonstrably not possible?

Well, 'demonstrable' in that the entirety of Church Dogma is predicated on an indivisible, atomic, eternal soul? You have any issues with that assertion, take it up with the Pope I guess... Maybe a Bishop can help you...

But... It's not my absolute assertion. It's the foundation of their belief.

You *do* realize you've just hit on how to scientifically falsify the whole religion, right? I mean, that's where the cognitive dissonance is coming from. You realize how crazy this religion shit sounds when you hold it to the light.

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 2/19/2012 5:59:43 AM >

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:03:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception but at some later stage. Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, unless you insist that identical twins are of the devil.

Science. It works, bitches.

Demonstrably not possible? Demonstrate please.

Of the devil? Insisting on something is hardly science, and just how would "of the devil" not violate your own posit of demonstrably not possible?

Well, 'demonstrable' in that the entirety of Church Dogma is predicated on an indivisible, atomic, eternal soul? You have any issues with that assertion, take it up with the Pope I guess... Maybe a Bishop can help you...

But... It's not my absolute assertion. It's the foundation of their belief.

ROFLMFAO > Science. It works, bitches.

I'll take it up with you. It's your post, not the Pope's.

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:06:53 AM

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Yes I think some people's souls REMAIN the size of an atom AFTER they are born and grown up. Would explain why so many of them have joined the Republican party in recent years....

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:08:30 AM

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Yes I think some people's souls REMAIN the size of an atom AFTER they are born and grown up. Would explain why so many of them have joined the Republican party in recent years....

Always knew the Democrats were soulless

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:11:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception but at some later stage. Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, unless you insist that identical twins are of the devil.

Science. It works, bitches.

Demonstrably not possible? Demonstrate please.

Of the devil? Insisting on something is hardly science, and just how would "of the devil" not violate your own posit of demonstrably not possible?

Well, 'demonstrable' in that the entirety of Church Dogma is predicated on an indivisible, atomic, eternal soul? You have any issues with that assertion, take it up with the Pope I guess... Maybe a Bishop can help you...

But... It's not my absolute assertion. It's the foundation of their belief.

ROFLMFAO > Science. It works, bitches.

I'll take it up with you. It's your post, not the Pope's.

FINE:

Hypothesis: The soul is indivisible.

Test: Divide a soul.

Experimental Results: Negative Result. Attempted every known protocol, yet still impossible to divide a soul

Hypothesis Confirmed.

Now, it's your turn to try to falsify this tentatively-supported hypothesis.

I would suggest that the test would be to actually divide a soul. I look forward to reviewing your results eagerly.

Science. It works, bitches!

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 2/19/2012 6:12:45 AM >

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:13:06 AM

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That's easy they each have a half a soul, which makes them easy targets for demons to take them over, thus immediately after birth all twins should be bashed into the floor until dead, the bodies then submerged in holy water, then burned, and the ashes sent to the vatican to be stored in a special vault for the damned.

It's science.

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:15:30 AM

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You *do* realize you've just hit on how to scientifically falsify the whole religion, right? I mean, that's where the cognitive dissonance is coming from. You realize how crazy this religion shit sounds when you hold it to the light.

Hardly. It's your posit that Science. It works, bitches. can demonstrably do what you say concerning the soul.

Ok, demonstrate please. Show us how science works.

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:17:36 AM

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Hypothesis: The soul is indivisible.

Test: Divide a soul.

Experimental Results: Negative Result. Attempted every known protocol, yet still impossible to divide a soul

Hypothesis Confirmed.

Now, it's your turn to try to falsify this tentatively-supported hypothesis.

I would suggest that the test would be to actually divide a soul. I look forward to reviewing your results eagerly.

Science. It works, bitches!

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ברוך אתה, אדוני אלוקינו, ריבון העולמים, מי יוצר צמחים ריחניים

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:17:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception but at some later stage. Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, unless you insist that identical twins are of the devil.

Science. It works, bitches.

Demonstrably not possible? Demonstrate please.

Of the devil? Insisting on something is hardly science, and just how would "of the devil" not violate your own posit of demonstrably not possible?

Well, 'demonstrable' in that the entirety of Church Dogma is predicated on an indivisible, atomic, eternal soul? You have any issues with that assertion, take it up with the Pope I guess... Maybe a Bishop can help you...

But... It's not my absolute assertion. It's the foundation of their belief.

ROFLMFAO > Science. It works, bitches.

I'll take it up with you. It's your post, not the Pope's.

FINE:

Hypothesis: The soul is indivisible.

Test: Divide a soul.

Experimental Results: Negative Result. Attempted every known protocol, yet still impossible to divide a soul

Hypothesis Confirmed.

Now, it's your turn to try to falsify this tentatively-supported hypothesis.

I would suggest that the test would be to actually divide a soul. I look forward to reviewing your results eagerly.

Science. It works, bitches!

Do you actually wish to be taken seriously?

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:18:53 AM

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Now, it's your turn to try to falsify this tentatively-supported hypothesis.

I would suggest that the test would be to actually divide a soul. I look forward to reviewing your results eagerly.

Science. It works, bitches!

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ברוך אתה, אדוני אלוקינו, ריבון העולמים, מי יוצר צמחים ריחניים

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:22:39 AM

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Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception...

Or the division results because of the presence of two souls.

Thank you, caller.

Mister Obvious

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:24:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception but at some later stage. Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, unless you insist that identical twins are of the devil.

Science. It works, bitches.

I use the concept 'soul' for a specific part of the human mind, each part residing in its own realm of the brain.

Nevertheless, there must be some bit of spirituality - a seed - present initially, yes. It is possible that that seed derives from the progenitors - just like the genetic material derives from the progenitors; at least that appears to be the easiest way to infuse an organism with spiritual essence.

You are quite right: it is divisible.

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:26:14 AM

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Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception...

Or the division results because of the presence of two souls.

Thank you, caller.

Mister Obvious

So, you're saying you can prevent of the formation of twins by removing one of the two souls prior to the splitting?

Well, you should be able to do an experiment to confirm or deny that hypothesis, sure...

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 2/19/2012 6:30:22 AM >

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:27:34 AM

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Monozygotic (i.e. identical) twins divide after conception.

Either the soul must be divisible or it does not come into existance at conception but at some later stage. Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, unless you insist that identical twins are of the devil.

Science. It works, bitches.

I use the concept 'soul' for a specific part of the human mind, each part residing in its own realm of the brain.

Nevertheless, there must be some bit of spirituality - a seed - present initially, yes. It is possible that that seed derives from the progenitors - just like the genetic material derives from the progenitors; at least that appears to be the easiest way to infuse an organism with spiritual essence.

You are quite right: it is divisible.

Please show me this 'spiritual essence' which in your model is somehow packed into the chromosomes. Do you suggest that it's part of the 'junk DNA'?

If that's the case, by excising the right sequences of "junk DNA" we should be able to create people without souls, correct?

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 2/19/2012 6:29:40 AM >

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:35:29 AM

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Please show me this 'spiritual essence' which in your model is somehow packed into the chromosomes. Do you suggest that it's part of the 'junk DNA'?

Hey,,, dude,,, you're the one who said Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, ...

Science. It works, bitches.

They're YOUR goalposts. All yours.

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:36:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Please show me this 'spiritual essence' which in your model is somehow packed into the chromosomes. Do you suggest that it's part of the 'junk DNA'?

Hey,,, dude,,, you're the one who said Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, ...

Science. It works, bitches.

They're YOUR goalposts. All yours.

And I demonstrated such. Did you miss it or something? I reposted the results of my experiments and everything. You're free to reproduce or falsify them as you care.

Beating this dead horse, to distract from the fact that I've supplied what was requested and the ball is in your court ain't doing your position any favors. It could make you look weak and undisciplined. And it could give the appearance that you can't keep focus on even the simplest logical processes. So, if you disagree with my experimental results, either falsify them, or stfu.

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 2/19/2012 6:39:52 AM >

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:40:36 AM

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So, you're saying you can prevent of the formation of twins by removing one of the two souls prior to the splitting?

Well, you should be able to do an experiment to confirm or deny that hypothesis, sure...

So, you're saying that you can prove there was either one soul or none at time of conception?

Well, you should be able to do an experiment to confirm or deny that hypothesis, sure...

Heh.

But hey, now, don't get me wrong. I'm only trying to be helpful. I know you were grinning from ear to ear at the pure genius of that little conundrum when it popped into your head, probably slapped your knee and yelled "Yee Haw!" out loud, and I just don't want to see you to get a crick in your neck from patting yourself on the back too hard. That's all.

K.

< Message edited by Kirata -- 2/19/2012 6:44:06 AM >

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RE: OK, if the soul begins from conception, then what a... - 2/19/2012 6:41:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Please show me this 'spiritual essence' which in your model is somehow packed into the chromosomes. Do you suggest that it's part of the 'junk DNA'?

Hey,,, dude,,, you're the one who said Indivisible soul at conception is demonstrably not possible, ...

Science. It works, bitches.

They're YOUR goalposts. All yours.

And I demonstrated such. Did you miss it or something? I reposted the results of my experiments and everything. You're free to reproduce or falsify them as you care.

quote:

Test: Divide a soul.

Experimental Results: Negative Result. Attempted every known protocol, yet still impossible to divide a soul

Hypothesis Confirmed.

Yeah? You did?

Test: Divide a soul.

Experimental Results: Negative Result. Attempted every known protocol, yet still impossible to divide a soul

Hypothesis Confirmed.

State each protocol and procedure for each test!

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