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RE: The "Paganization" of Culture - 2/24/2012 5:30:24 AM   
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The Church is threatened by the idea that knowledge and truth could be more powerful than God. That the only knowledge which can be true is the word of God. Okay, I understand why they find these books threatening - but it is a sad commentary on religion that they do. It also represents a classic missing the forest for the trees approach (i.e., getting bogged down in doctrine and scripture instead of understand the basic concepts of love and good over evil). (And I can't help wondering if the fact that Rowling is a divorced mother has anything to do with the vehemence, too.)


The wizard world is about the pursuit of power and esoteric knowledge, and in this sense it is a modern representation of a branch of ancient Gnosticism, the cult that came close to undermining Christianity at its birth.





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RE: The "Paganization" of Culture - 2/24/2012 10:28:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

You can get a synopsis of O'Brien's thinking here:

Apparently you can get a synopsis of Santorum's thinking there too:

I can state that the number of those who are affected by the evil one has greatly increased.

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RE: The "Paganization" of Culture - 2/24/2012 12:08:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
The Lord of the Rings is equally Christian as the Chronicles of Narnia, just less blatantly and showily so. Tolkein's main reason for writing it appears to be that he found the earlier fantasy epics (in particular Eddison's The Worm Ourobourous) lacking in moral fibre. Even the Hobbit seems to be written mainly as an illustration of three moral points: power corrupts, actions have consequences, and everything has a cost both morally and physically. I honestly can't see how anybody claiming to be a Christian would find any of those objectionable.


You know what's interesting about this. The three moral points: power corrupts, actions have consequences, and everything has a cost both morally and physically are well demonstrated in one of the great pieces of pagan mythology - The Iliad.

Also, general comment, is no one else interested in seeing Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter even after I posted the link to the trailer for the movie??? How can this be?


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RE: The "Paganization" of Culture - 2/24/2012 12:37:52 PM   
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When I was a kid one of my friends was a fundamentalist christian.
His parents totally freaked out over the book Casper the Ghost. It had a good witch in it.
That sort will always have something to be upset about.

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RE: The "Paganization" of Culture - 2/24/2012 2:41:59 PM   
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Also, general comment, is no one else interested in seeing Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter even after I posted the link to the trailer for the movie??? How can this be?


I sent the trailer link around and everyone was like, "Is this for real?" lol.

I missed Buffy when it was on TV and M and I are working our way through it and Angel. We've just started season 6 of Buffy and 2 of Angel - NO SPOILERS!

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RE: The "Paganization" of Culture - 2/24/2012 2:49:21 PM   
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I mentioned this in another thread, but I'll say it again: society is not becoming more pagan or less religious; rather, religion has become panetheized.


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RE: The "Paganization" of Culture - 2/24/2012 3:32:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Also, general comment, is no one else interested in seeing Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter even after I posted the link to the trailer for the movie??? How can this be?


I sent the trailer link around and everyone was like, "Is this for real?" lol.

I missed Buffy when it was on TV and M and I are working our way through it and Angel. We've just started season 6 of Buffy and 2 of Angel - NO SPOILERS!

Just assume Angel ends with season 4. The last season is just too awful to inflict on anyone.

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RE: The "Paganization" of Culture - 2/25/2012 6:49:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
The Lord of the Rings is equally Christian as the Chronicles of Narnia, just less blatantly and showily so. Tolkein's main reason for writing it appears to be that he found the earlier fantasy epics (in particular Eddison's The Worm Ourobourous) lacking in moral fibre. Even the Hobbit seems to be written mainly as an illustration of three moral points: power corrupts, actions have consequences, and everything has a cost both morally and physically. I honestly can't see how anybody claiming to be a Christian would find any of those objectionable.


You know what's interesting about this. The three moral points: power corrupts, actions have consequences, and everything has a cost both morally and physically are well demonstrated in one of the great pieces of pagan mythology - The Iliad.

I'm not sure that Homer's poem counts as a myth as such: it's somebody's interpretation of the story, just like the later plays, and there's some doubt that the Gods were a factor in any of the earlier accounts of the siege of Troy Homer drew on.

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