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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 2/24/2012 11:39:13 AM

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Oh, I know what she meant but really the whole idea of everything with everyone being consensual means that no one can dress in drag(pre or post op) in public. That no one can kiss in public(homo or hetro) And that my friend that has a fetish for wearing the colour pink, even though it makes me want to throw up....I should get to punch her in the face until she changes what she is wearing. I also understand everyone saying things shouldn't be done just for shock value but we can not as individuals spend every moment asking permission from those around us for the things we want to do. If we do than the idea of "free speech" that she was talking about was a myth to being with. Which is a whole different thread and I should probably shut up now.

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 2/28/2012 2:20:49 PM

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this has all got a bit out of hand... i feel i must say sorry to those ive offended. They were not my intentions, i have no hard feeling towards the negative comments ive received as everybody is entitled to an opinion.... its is in fact most welcome.

To those who say im mad, ha! different strokes...and that.

And finally when i talk about public humiliation i mean, pubs, clubs, nail boutiques. If you think this is wrong, then fine. Im just looking for ways to push me into the life a little more, no harm intended.

lucy

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 2/28/2012 2:33:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

Oh, I know what she meant but really the whole idea of everything with everyone being consensual means that no one can dress in drag(pre or post op) in public. That no one can kiss in public(homo or hetro) And that my friend that has a fetish for wearing the colour pink, even though it makes me want to throw up....I should get to punch her in the face until she changes what she is wearing. I also understand everyone saying things shouldn't be done just for shock value but we can not as individuals spend every moment asking permission from those around us for the things we want to do. If we do than the idea of "free speech" that she was talking about was a myth to being with.

Thank you, MIP. This topic of "involving the non-consenting public" comes up pretty regularly around here, and we never get anywhere with the conversation. Those who are opposed to it remain opposed, and those of us who are for it remain pro. But at least you saved me a bit of typing by spelling out my position about this matter.

But anyone who has been around for any length of time already knows where I stand on this issue. Politically correct? Bah!

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/2/2012 6:00:23 PM

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Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths:

- Glibness and Superficial Charm
- Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

- Grandiose Sense of Self
-Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
-Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

-Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

-Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

-Incapacity for Love

-Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

-Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
-Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

-Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

-Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
-Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
-Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

-Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

-Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

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Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/2/2012 6:27:16 PM

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So, if seen from a certain angle, we *all* have sociopathic traits. It is just that, some have more of those traits and are more deeply affected than others.

OP, the rules of the game of WIITWD *are* "Safe, Sane, and Consensual." One of the respondents tried to tell you that, in an earlier part of this thread. If your family and friends are not inclined toward kink, you break one of those essential rules. It is especially unkind that you *wish* them to be damaged by *your* kink. SO not cool. SO disrespectful. SO terribly cruel. SO very wrong.

And, here's it is, again, that foolish notion of "forced" feminization that makes Dominas everywhere plant face in palm, tear hair out, scream in abject frustration. There. Is. No. Such. Thing. As. "Forced." Feminization. How, oh how could something you truly, deeply, intensely desire be forced on you???? And why would you think the idea that feminization = degradation wouldn't offend? It speaks of a deep-seated misogyny that does NOT appeal, to me, at the very least.

If I were to take a TV/CD/Trans on, (s)he would have to feel *glorious* as a female, not degraded.

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/2/2012 6:38:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna11

Weather the "CLICK" of CM is offended should never stop a person from asking a question.

Did you mean "clique" (meaning: a small, exclusive circle of people; snobbish or narrow coterie)? Otherwise, I can't make heads or tails of your comment.

Thanks.

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/2/2012 6:54:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

...And that my friend that has a fetish for wearing the colour pink, even though it makes me want to throw up....I should get to punch her in the face until she changes what she is wearing.

Pink wouldn't make me want to punch. Head-to-toe orange might. Pink would just make me cringe. Cower in fear. Vomit. On the wearer of the pink.

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I also understand everyone saying things shouldn't be done just for shock value but we can not as individuals spend every moment asking permission from those around us for the things we want to do.

Well, doing something just for the shock value is, at the very least, in bad taste. Leashes on slaves, in public?? I might, but they'd be disguised, so that my subbies and I would know, but it wouldn't be as the proverbial two-by-four on the general public. I mean, hell, when I first saw leashes on toddlers, I was shocked. Appalled, even. I was so deeply offended that parents would leash their kids. Eventually, I got over it, though, because I realized they were used as important, if potentially humiliating, protective tools.

Pre and post op trans-genders aren't dressing the part for shock value. They are fully invested in the transformation from one gender to the next. Certainly, it may shock, but that's not the point.

Oh, now *I've* gone on...

Time to go.

BTW - "Mysterious Ways," by the Larry Mullen Experience, is one of my favourite songs. However, the line is, "If you want to kiss the sky Better learn how to kneel..."

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/3/2012 5:35:04 AM

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the whole idea of everything with everyone being consensual means that no one can dress in drag(pre or post op) in public

To me there's a world of difference between someone biologically male who identifies as female dressing as female in public and one whose kink is "forced fem."

ETA - Gender dysphoria is not a kink.

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/3/2012 9:15:14 AM

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Cool, your opinion of pink and mine are close but still differ...lovely.

As for shock value...have you ever seen a goth kid? If I colour my hair purple do I have to ask my banker if it offends him? (for the record it does, he has told me so)

Are you explaining the mind set of every tranny on the planet to me? You said "if you had one" I have "had" several and trust me they do not all think alike.

BTW- My sig. line is quoting U2 and that is how they sing it.(yes I know it is a cover but I like how they do it) Were you trying to correct me about something there as well?

Just a foot note for everyone that keeps throwing out the word sociopath by the way. Little known fact....every teenager on the planet can be profiled as a sociopath at some point in their teen years. Many people do fit many of the criteria of a sociopath, But, unless you know which traits to actually list on a sychological profile and which ones to remove based on the persons life history there is a very good change the word is being used incorrectly.

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/3/2012 9:16:52 AM

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I agree with you Kali, but does that mean if someone dresses in drag and doesn't really want to be female they have no right to dress in drag to begin with?

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/3/2012 9:24:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: EnforcedFemSlave
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Im just looking for ways to push me into the life a little more, no harm intended.

lucy

When you finally realize that -you- (not others) are responsible for that, then you might find a Lady willing to engage with you. Very few female Dominants are going to be interested in making their interaction with you all about your kink - sort of opposite of what it is all about, eh?

As I said to you before: a sane, confident, competent, and engaging person with a feminine side that they are in completely touch and comfort with is much more interesting and attractive than a desperate uncomfortable person who wants someone else to push them into something they want but cannot face within themselves.

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/3/2012 11:10:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

BTW- My sig. line is quoting U2 and that is how they sing it.(yes I know it is a cover but I like how they do it)

I like how they did it and how Bono wrote it. Got the lyrics. Checked 'em twice, thrice. The "Larry Mullen Experience" was a joking (and somewhat incorrect reference to) the original name of U2. It was "The Larry Mullen Band."

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/3/2012 4:49:52 PM

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Now see you did get me there. I like the song but not(it seems) as much as you do. I do know there was another band that sung it, no one from U2 in that band....but I can never remember the name of those folks...or maybe it was just one guy(?)....if you know the other band and can tell me who they were I would love to know. I know who ever that other band was did an acoustic version of it and somehow their version sounds....slower(not sure how else to say it) I have to admit I love the religious connotations behind the song. We are way off topic now though. If you happen to know those other folks that did the slow version and could let me know I would be thankful.

*edit* Because nothing I have said today makes any sense if you try to line it up with any form of grammar

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/4/2012 7:31:58 AM

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"Snow Patrol" is the only group that comes up. Haven't heard it, yet. Think I'll go have a look-listen.

And, yes, for me, U2 is right up there with Queen, Cold Play and The Big Pink as all-time faves. My youthful obsession with them echoes, still.

Back to OP and original intent of his/her post: Do you have anything to say, EFS? Have you learned anything, or have you run away in disgust, because so many have counseled you, albeit with 2x4s, against what you intend? I would very much like to know how you feel about what we've said.

QR

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/9/2012 8:08:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain
someone compairing dressing in drag to yelling fire in a crowed theatre.

I don't think she was saying that dressing in drag in particular is like "yelling fire in a crowed theatre". She was referring to the fact that there's a point where expressing kink should no longer be thought of as a free speech item, just like how yelling fire in a crowed theatre wouldn't be.

OsideGirl - Thank you for reading my post.

MissImmortalPain - I wish you had read it; I can't imagine how you could misinterpret it so completely if you had.

~LG

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/9/2012 8:18:13 AM

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I did read it, along with others. It was not just that one comment that inspired mine. It was the many added together. But as always what I said was my opinion and not intended as an attack on anyone...including you. As I said before I do understand everyone warning against doing things just for shock value but comparing something that shocks to something that could cause a riot, puting many in real danger, does not seem like the same thing to me.

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 3/11/2012 9:11:24 PM

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i love being dressed up as a woman and taken out in pulic but not in my neighborhood or where anyone would reconize me fun is fun i i love to role play but i have a life too and a job and do not want to jeoperdise them

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RE: Public humiliation/Blackmail Games - 4/12/2012 11:59:35 AM

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What happened to Safe, Sane and Consensual? Even the more modern R.A.C.K. has "Consensual" in it.

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