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TheKingofHell -> What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/22/2012 9:24:07 PM)
If you found out that your M or your sub/slave was an illegal immigrant would you report them?

MDomCouple -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/22/2012 9:50:40 PM)
Just me personally here...I wouldn't report them, but I would end association with them, if for no other reason than to legally protect myself.

RaspberryLemon -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/22/2012 11:26:44 PM)
Of course I wouldn't report him. I would just be glad I found out so that we can work at getting him citizenship. We are planning on getting married anyways. That process is long and expensive (I am friends with a married couple, and the husband is from Canada, and according to them he is currently a "legal alien" in the US and the process to full citizenship va marriage is long, tedious, and involves many fees and interviews,) but it would be well worth it. I love my Master. I wouldn't part with him for the world.

tj444 -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/22/2012 11:38:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RaspberryLemon Of course I wouldn't report him. I would just be glad I found out so that we can work at getting him citizenship. We are planning on getting married anyways. That process is long and expensive (I am friends with a married couple, and the husband is from Canada, and according to them he is currently a "legal alien" in the US and the process to full citizenship va marriage is long, tedious, and involves many fees and interviews,) but it would be well worth it. I love my Master. I wouldn't part with him for the world. Did they get married in the US or did they get married outside of the US? My understanding is that its a lot easier & shorter if the marriage takes place outside the US. And i dont think the immigrant can be living in the US or he/she has to leave first. I knew a Hispanic couple and he was illegal, they went thru years of paperwork being lost, jumping thru hoops and he did have to leave the US as well and there was no guarantee he would be allowed back. They also had to prove the wife and kid would have hardship if he if wasnt there to help financially etc. Marriages done in the US are suspect, i guess..

RaspberryLemon -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 12:58:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 Did they get married in the US or did they get married outside of the US? My understanding is that its a lot easier & shorter if the marriage takes place outside the US. And i dont think the immigrant can be living in the US or he/she has to leave first. I knew a Hispanic couple and he was illegal, they went thru years of paperwork being lost, jumping thru hoops and he did have to leave the US as well and there was no guarantee he would be allowed back. They also had to prove the wife and kid would have hardship if he if wasnt there to help financially etc. Marriages done in the US are suspect, i guess.. I'm not entirely sure about all the specifics of their situation, but I believe they married in the US. He first moved here from Canada with some sort of work visa, I believe, with the intention of marrying her and thus getting full citizenship sometime down the line. They have told me that it involves LOTS of jumping through hoops and backtracking, stupid paperwork and interviews parsed out over a 10-year period to make sure they are still together, etc. The whole process is estimated to take abotu 10 years and they have already spent thousands of dollars going through all of it. It all sounds like a pain in the ass, though they truly love each other and thus they feel it is well worth it to be able to be together.

DaddySatyr -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 1:17:08 AM)
This is a hard question; very hard. My eldest son's grandfather jumped into a fishing boat when The Beard took over and made it to Puerto Rico. From there, he acquired new identification (times were different, then) and he, eventually, made it to New York City. This was one of the most dedicated, patriotic, hard-working, moral people that I have ever known ... and I *hated* the fact that he was illegal. I never said a word. He lived a good, long life and passed, peacefully. Now, you're asking about a partner. That's different. You used the word "learned". I assume that my partner isn't the one that told me? The first thought that popped into my mind is honesty. If she lied about this, what else did she lie about. I would immediately end the relationship. Okay. Would I report her. That's a difficult one. I live in an immigrant neighborhood. I am the only non-Hispanic for three blocks in any direction. I see what some of the issues are, first-hand. I think, I would probably warn her that she needs to move someplace where I don't know where she is so that I wouldn't be emotionally torn about whether or not to report her. I can't report what I don't know. Peace and comfort, Michael

hussainishahid -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 3:03:24 AM)
Friends don't snitch on each other. If you're already that close to somebody, are you really willing to throw their life into turmoil based on a few arbitrary lines?

DaddySatyr -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 3:13:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hussainishahid Friends don't snitch on each other. If you're already that close to somebody, are you really willing to throw their life into turmoil based on a few arbitrary lines? If you consider honesty to be arbitrary, we can't even discuss this. If they have been dishonest with me, we couldn't have been that close. Even if we had been, once they've lied to me, they've shaken my trust. We're no longer close, at that point. If you're talking about borders? Those lines? Well, I see the contributions and the detriment that illegal immigration does to this country. As I stated: I have known people that are illegal aliens that seem to be absolute, up-standing, moral, good, friendly, caring, citizens. I have no trouble believing that other than breaking the law by their mode of entering this country, they have never done anything wrong in their life. I also see the negatives. I see American dollars being sucked out of this country and being sent to a foreign country (which doesn't even help us by collection of taxes). I see jobs, taken by people that work far below a minimum wage (also, law); the only reason thay can afford it is because they live eight people to a two bedroom apartment/house and sleep in shifts (also in violation of local health codes {3 adults per bathroom is the general rule}). As I have said, before; I'm not saying that this is the greatest country on the globe, anymore. I am saying that it's my country and we need to fix what's wrong with this country before we can help others and part of what's wrong with this country is illegal immigration. Peace and comfort, Michael

Loookingforus -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 3:20:52 AM)
Do you see these things you list as negatives something the aliens choose to do? Or are the the things they are willing to endure so that their lives are better? And if they have to endure these things vs. choose them and still count life as better would you send them back to it?

DaddySatyr -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 3:27:22 AM)
They *chose* to enter this country illegally. All the rest stems from that. They can't work, legally, so they have to take what's given to them. They can't have anyone run a credit check on them so they bunk-in with their friends that are lucky enough to already have a place. Ultimately, though, all of this is the residue of a *choice* they made. Not too get too caught up in logic but "Or are the the things they are willing to endure so that their lives are better?" How are the negatives I described making their lives any better? If you mean ultimately? Long-term type stuff? I guess you could make that argument but, they're stealing from our economy, also. I am not willing to "endure" so that their lives can be better. Peace and comfort, Michael

Loookingforus -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 3:36:59 AM)
What I am saying is, yes they made the choice to enter knowing what they would have to live with here. They still find their quality of life higher here even with all those negatives. I think they should be given a fair wage and I believe they should pay taxes. I do not believe they should be penalized for acting to make a better life for themselves or their children. How are they stealing from our economy? They do still work here and they also buy goods and services here money that goes back into the local economy. They don't take jobs they others are willing to do because they can not get them, so the only jobs they are taking are unwanted. And what pray tell are you enduring while they do these things.

DaddySatyr -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 3:48:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loookingforus What I am saying is, yes they made the choice to enter knowing what they would have to live with here. They still find their quality of life higher here even with all those negatives. I think they should be given a fair wage and I believe they should pay taxes. I do not believe they should be penalized for acting to make a better life for themselves or their children. How are they stealing from our economy? They do still work here and they also buy goods and services here money that goes back into the local economy. They don't take jobs they others are willing to do because they can not get them, so the only jobs they are taking are unwanted. And what pray tell are you enduring while they do these things. Sorry. Some of this is hard to read because I'm assuming you've mis-spelled or left words out. Some of it is just talking-points clap-trap. Unwanted jobs? Bullshit. There are people that have been out of work for three and four years that would love to have a job; any job. How are they stealing? The bulk of the money they do make gets sent to their home country to support their family back home. If they're illegal, they're not paying taxes and they're sending our money out of our economy. It's that simple. The amount of goods and services they actually buy is nominal. Also, the cost to prosecute and deport, once they are caught is a drain on our economy. If we had no illegal aliens, the number of deportations in this country would plummet. An inordinate number of federal prosecutors, law enforcement, and judges and clerks because someone decides following the rules is no good and their way is better. The reason why we implemented immigration laws is because we just cannot have an unlimited flood of people coming in. The country/economy can't support "open borders". No country could. Like it or not, when they cross the border, illegally, they have become criminals. I can't find it in my heart to welcome them (neither do I skulk around and "investigate" people so I can have them deported). Peace and comfort, Michael

Loookingforus -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 4:02:40 AM)
I do leave things out. It always reads perfectly in my head. lol Do you think if the illegals disappeared the jobs would still be there? Would your friends be willing to work for the same wages? You make the statement that we can not support open borders, why can't we? That would solve the unfair wages and non taxation issues. That would put them on equal footing for jobs. It would also remove the need to detain and deport them. Why would that be a bad thing?

LaTigresse -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 4:12:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MDomCouple Just me personally here...I wouldn't report them, but I would end association with them, if for no other reason than to legally protect myself. This. In my previous life I spent farrrr too much time and energy dealing with the federales' because of the piss poor life choices of an S.O.. It was a tighter position than I ever care to be in again. It's a lose lose proposition. Especially if there are kids involved.

kalikshama -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 4:16:22 AM)
quote: Unwanted jobs? Bullshit. There are people that have been out of work for three and four years that would love to have a job; any job. Colbert, Immigrant Farm Workers Challenge Pundits And Unemployed To 'Take Our Jobs' 06/24/10 SAN FRANCISCO — In a tongue-in-cheek call for immigration reform, farm workers are teaming up with comedian Stephen Colbert to challenge unemployed Americans: Come on, take our jobs. Farm workers are tired of being blamed by politicians and anti-immigrant activists for taking work that should go to Americans and dragging down the economy, said Arturo Rodriguez, the president of the United Farm Workers of America. So the group is encouraging the unemployed – and any Washington pundits or anti-immigrant activists who want to join them – to apply for the some of thousands of agricultural jobs being posted with state agencies as harvest season begins. All applicants need to do is fill out an online form under the banner "I want to be a farm worker" at , and experienced field hands will train them and connect them to farms. http://www.takeourjobs.org According to the Labor Department, three out of four farm workers were born abroad, and more than half are illegal immigrants. Proponents of tougher immigration laws have argued that farmers have become used to cheap labor and don't want to raise wages enough to draw in other workers. Those who have done the job have some words of advice for applicants: First, dress appropriately. During summer, when the harvest of fruits and vegetables is in full swing in California's Central Valley, temperatures hover in the triple digits. Heat exhaustion is one of the reasons farm labor consistently makes the Bureau of Labor Statistics' top ten list of the nation's most dangerous jobs. Second, expect long days. Growers have a small window to pick fruit before it is overripe. And don't count on a big paycheck. Farm workers are excluded from federal overtime provisions, and small farms don't even have to pay the minimum wage. Fifteen states don't require farm labor to be covered by workers compensation laws. Any takers? "The reality is farmworkers who are here today aren't taking any American jobs away. They work in often unbearable situations," Rodriguez said. "I don't think there will be many takers, but the offer is being made. Let's see what happens." To highlight how unlikely the prospect of Americans lining up to pick strawberries or grapes, Comedy Central's "Colbert Report" plans to feature the "Take Our Jobs" campaign on July 8. ...California's agriculture industry launched a similar campaign in 1998, hoping to recruit welfare recipients and unemployed workers to work on farms, he said. Three people showed up.

LaTigresse -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 4:20:20 AM)
One of the biggest employers of immigrants here in Iowa is in agriculture. The big hog facilities. Egg and poultry facilities. Meat packing facilities. Barring legal issues, I would happily hire them myself.

kalikshama -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 4:20:25 AM)
UPDATED: Colbert Speaks for Farmworkers: Take Our Jobs, Please! July 1, 2010 Update: Last night Stephen Colbert welcomed UFW President Arturo Rodriquez onto his show to discuss immigration and the TakeOurJobs.org campaign. It was revealed that thus far a full THREE people have used the program, designed to give work that usually goes to undocumented workers to US citizens. Not 3,000 or 300. Three. But Colbert announced he'd make it four, saying he will go work in California's lettuce fields. It's in the last segment of this episode * A few years back I was in a church basement in Oklahoma City preparing a meal for a busload of Florida farm workers on their way home from California. They had gone there to stage a protest at Taco Bell parent corporation Yum! Brands HQ. Their humble request? Two cents more per pound of tomatoes picked by their compatriots in and around Immokalee, Florida, so that they might be lifted out of near-and-actual slavery. The Coalition of Immokalee Workers eventually won that fight and many others like it, but their lives in the tomato fields there are still by no means easy. It's backbreaking work in the hot Southwest Florida sun, with long hours, poor housing and little to no free time. Recognizing though that there are unemployment and immigration problems in this country, the Godfather of a farm worker movements - The United Farm Workers - has come up with an innovative solution. Their suggestion: Take Our Jobs! That's right, all the folks who are out of work and feel that undocumented workers are taking jobs that should go to American citizens like themselves are invited to apply online and join the exciting field of manual farm labor! Apply now! ...The point of all this of course is that migrant workers, roughly 75% of whom were born outside the US and an estimated half of them undocumented, are not in fact taking away jobs from Honest-to-Glenn-Beck Americans. They are doing jobs that are vital to our national economy and that no one else will do. For better or worse, this has always been the lot of the new arrivals in this country - they end up doing the grunt work, and those that do it well eventually make it possible for their kids and grandkids to have a better life. It's what my great grandfather did when he was an immigrant to our shores over 100 years ago, and very likely what some of your ancestors did as well. While they are using humor, the point is a serious one, and they mean it when they say they will connect applicants with actual jobs in the fields - the one place where there is still a serious labor shortage in the country. It's put-up-or-shut-up time for the anti-immigrant front.** Next I hope they will find a way to extend the program one more notch up the food chain into the slaughterhouses, where conditions are no less abhorrent. Shining a light on that industry is long overdue. So if you know people who are looking for work, be sure to tell them that the UFW says, "Take our jobs, please!" Henny Youngman would be proud.

OsideGirl -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 7:07:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RaspberryLemon He first moved here from Canada with some sort of work visa I've bolded a key statement here. The US is pretty stingy about giving green cards to someone that doesn't have a viable career. Unless you can claim asylum, they rarely give green cards to someone mowing lawns or working at minimum wage. My ex entered the country illegally, but had a green card by the time we were together.

tj444 -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 8:12:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr They *chose* to enter this country illegally. I gotta disagree strongly with this... there really is no choice here, no way for them to enter legally.. (a) if they want a better life, what other country can they go to? (b) there is really no other way for them to enter legally,.. what companies would go looking for employees from Mexico or SA and go thru the process and cost of that just for a laborer that in the end will only be allowed for a very short time? If they try the marriage route, they gotta do it like they are a mail order bride.. not that easy to do... If they dont have the $1 million to enter as an investor immigrant.. then that route is closed to them also.. I do not see any legal way for them to enter.. so the choice is to live in poverty in their home country with no hope of a better life, or take the chance and enter illegally.. (c) the process to become legal once here has also been made impossible due to changes made to laws a few years ago.. About your comment about them sending a few pesos home.. your American corps send mega millions/billions dollars outside of the US also.. [8\|]

LoreBook -> RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner was illegal? (2/23/2012 8:22:38 AM)
No I wouldn't report them. I'm not all that worried about citizenship status and illegal immigration issues, its not like its really all that important.

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