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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 4:52:11 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: genvieve

Do Y/ya'll really stress it?  Do W/we actually care if durring a debate someone forgets to be politically correct and mention that there are, in fact, both sexes involved on both sides of the spectrum?


Bouncer "What if they call you a cocksucker?"

Patrick Swayze as Dalton "They are two words combined to elicit a proscribed response."

I dont stress about what people say.  I personally dont use the word hysterical because of its origins as the Greek word Hysterikos (Womb Pain) and the sexist aspects of that.  Do I mind if other people do and think they are some sexist pig?  No.

I dont call male homosexuals "fags" because the origin of that word comes from the medieval practice of burning men convicted of sodomy alive.  I have had gay friends say they didnt mind, so again I dont stress if other people use it.

I dont use the term "Rule of Thumb" because it relates back to a High middle ages law which stated that a man could use a stick no bigger around than his thumb to beat his wife.  Do I think a person who says "The Rule of Thumb is..." is planning on beating his wife?  No.

I have my own standards I have to follow, and one of those is an effort on my part to extend tolerance and understanding to other people.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 4:52:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrrPete

I/i T/think T/his I/is P/political C/correctness O/on S/ssteriods.



As much as I have preached against it in the past, there can be reasons for T/this.  If someone's owner makes them, or if they're sadistic and like making people suffer by making them read, then it can be legit, and makes you an intolerant git for not liking it.

Turns out I have no principles, I just like making other people be wrong.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 4:53:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Level

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Now that I can agree with you on.


Answer to the OP...Nope not an issue.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 5:30:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: enigmabrat

only thing that really bothers me is when people think that females are jsut submissive and that because they are female tahts how they have to be
sex has nothing to do with waether you are a sub


I belive that we have got it upside down here in Iceland - think there are more both females in the scene and also there are more dominant females in the scene then men......we did something wrong :-) OMG

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 5:33:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: genvieve

Ok, by and large, i tend to refer to Dominant/submissive in the Male/female form.  While i certainly know there are many many many wonderful Dommes out there and some wonderful male submissives... i tend to think in those terms because, well...that's the kind of relationship i am in...
 
But i got to thinking...
 
Do Y/ya'll really stress it?  Do W/we actually care if durring a debate someone forgets to be politically correct and mention that there are, in fact, both sexes involved on both sides of the spectrum?
 
Just curious.  i'll be interested to read responses


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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 6:04:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Cassie, your words are delightful regardless.

Benji, without your irrepressive irreverance just IMAGINE how fat the dominants heads would get!  (seeing Macy's parade balloons here)
Personally, I think I'd look even better if my head were bigger...so much more handsomeness to gaze upon. 

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I am just so politically incorrect its not even funny. I just cannot get into capitolization and stuffy titles, its not my style. The way I look at it is I try to treat everyone with respect and decency unless of course I get fired up pissy or silly. If thats the case and people cannot take a joke.......mehhhh...........they've got bigger problems than me. Personally, unless someone is MY submissive or slave I am not at all into being called anything other than my name.
I agree with Level, much more important things to care about than that.


I agree, Tigresse.  It is one thing when I am dealing with my submissive to be called something (Head Puba, Oh Handsome One...you know, all the stuff that befits me), it is another when I am dealing with people that may not know me and have no idea whether I deserve their respect or not and I have no idea whether they deserve mine.  Then, only common courtesy...as taught me by my folks and my teachers at school (yes, for some of you younger ones...at one time, they actually did teach manners in school...it came right after the dinosaur riding lessons)...need be applied.  As for the political correctness portion of the equation...forget it.  I love hot rods, appreciate a fine woman, a good cocktail, and think that, for the most part, that someone should find a way to use Tofu, sprouts, and the great horned owl as paving materials.  In some areas, I am very chauvinistic (I challenge anyone to show me a male dominant who is not, to some extent).  I am me.  For the most part...politically incorrect or not...I seem to suit some people and not others.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm...just like some of the most politically correct.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 6:12:23 PM   
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In some areas, I am very chauvinistic (I challenge anyone to show me a male dominant who is not, to some extent). 



Depends how you define it.  You could define it in a way that includes everyone (belief that one's own group is in some way superiour to any other) or in a way which can easily exclude many:
  1. Militant devotion to and glorification of one's country; fanatical patriotism.
  2. Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 6:20:55 PM   
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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 7:03:06 PM   
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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 7:26:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: genvieve

Ok, by and large, i tend to refer to Dominant/submissive in the Male/female form. While i certainly know there are many many many wonderful Dommes out there and some wonderful male submissives... i tend to think in those terms because, well...that's the kind of relationship i am in...

But i got to thinking...

Do Y/ya'll really stress it? Do W/we actually care if durring a debate someone forgets to be politically correct and mention that there are, in fact, both sexes involved on both sides of the spectrum?

Just curious. i'll be interested to read responses


Well if you feel the need to say male masters and female submissives then you do risk cutting some people out of the conversation but then again maybe you are only interested in folks with similar roles. I would say going out of ones way to indicate gender takes more time than just saying general words like master, slave, owner, pet, etc, that are not necessarily gendered though they might be understood that way.

However in all honesty how could you speak from anywhere other than your own experiences and preferences? So I tend to just assume that most people are speaking about themselves unless they do something like claim their statements are universals or absolute.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 7:27:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I haven't noticed that the going-out-of-your-way-not-to-piss-someone-off phenomenon is very big in the CM forums anyway.  SOMEONE'S going to be insulted no matter what you say.


Exactly. That's why it's important to note The Four Agreements: http://www.collarchat.com/m_372531/mpage_1/key_four%252Cagreements/tm.htm

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 7:30:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrrPete

I/i T/think T/his I/is P/political C/correctness O/on S/ssteriods.

One can carry being PC to far and U/using this convention goes to the Twilight Zone and beyond to the Outer Limits.

you can't tell me you enjoy typing that way anymore  than I enjoy reading it.

ENOUGH



There's a block button to avoiding reading P/posters Y/you do not care to read.  Enough with flaming P/pl who use slash speak.
 
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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 7:30:29 PM   
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Do Y/ya'll really stress it?  Do W/we actually care if durring a debate someone forgets to be politically correct and mention that there are, in fact, both sexes involved on both sides of the spectrum?


For me it depends on the debate. I sometimes enter into the whole Male/female generalizations myself, and if I remember correctly, I am Dominant. If it is an argument about supremacy or "the way things should be" I am quick to remind people there are always exceptions to their rule. As far as political correctness, I don't see why anyone should bicker over it in general, as the bickering just wastes time.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 7:36:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Cassie, your words are delightful regardless.

Benji, without your irrepressive irreverance just IMAGINE how fat the dominants heads would get!  (seeing Macy's parade balloons here)
Personally, I think I'd look even better if my head were bigger...so much more handsomeness to gaze upon. 

quote:

I am just so politically incorrect its not even funny. I just cannot get into capitolization and stuffy titles, its not my style. The way I look at it is I try to treat everyone with respect and decency unless of course I get fired up pissy or silly. If thats the case and people cannot take a joke.......mehhhh...........they've got bigger problems than me. Personally, unless someone is MY submissive or slave I am not at all into being called anything other than my name.
I agree with Level, much more important things to care about than that.


I agree, Tigresse.  It is one thing when I am dealing with my submissive to be called something (Head Puba, Oh Handsome One...you know, all the stuff that befits me), it is another when I am dealing with people that may not know me and have no idea whether I deserve their respect or not and I have no idea whether they deserve mine.  Then, only common courtesy...as taught me by my folks and my teachers at school (yes, for some of you younger ones...at one time, they actually did teach manners in school...it came right after the dinosaur riding lessons)...need be applied.  As for the political correctness portion of the equation...forget it.  I love hot rods, appreciate a fine woman, a good cocktail, and think that, for the most part, that someone should find a way to use Tofu, sprouts, and the great horned owl as paving materials.  In some areas, I am very chauvinistic (I challenge anyone to show me a male dominant who is not, to some extent).  I am me.  For the most part...politically incorrect or not...I seem to suit some people and not others.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm...just like some of the most politically correct.


To the Op:  i do not want to hyjack the thread, so my question is, are W/we discussing "political correctness" in the real world or just here on the boards?  Thanks....will respond as clarification is provided.
 
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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 7:59:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Skuggi
I belive that we have got it upside down here in Iceland - think there are more both females in the scene and also there are more dominant females in the scene then men......we did something wrong :-) OMG


Perhaps it is the result of pollution from all those volcanic vents?

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 8:14:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: genvieve

Do Y/ya'll really stress it?  Do W/we actually care if durring a debate someone forgets to be politically correct and mention that there are, in fact, both sexes involved on both sides of the spectrum?


Bouncer "What if they call you a cocksucker?"


Well, first of all...let me clarify that i am not speaking in terms of name calling. 
 
What i'm actually speaking about is whether or not someO/one feels the need to be acknowledged as part of the community in every post i make. 
 
But since i'm probably sure that You hadn't meant it as an attack... i'll simply state...
 
i have no issues with being called a cock sucker  -snort-
 
But that's just me.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 8:15:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrrPete

I/i T/think T/his I/is P/political C/correctness O/on S/ssteriods.

One can carry being PC to far and U/using this convention goes to the Twilight Zone and beyond to the Outer Limits.

you can't tell me you enjoy typing that way anymore  than I enjoy reading it.

ENOUGH


 
That, Sir...was beyond throwing pc out the window...it was rude, inconsiderate and i will not respond further to the comment.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 8:22:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tikkiee

Personally, I could care less about political correctness. If I , or another, is too sensitive to understand the meaning of what is being said, then neither of us should  be in the discussion to begin with. Just my opinion though.


Well, i can understand why someO/one could get bent out of shape about it, i really can.  In fact, i strive to be as pc about it as i can, because it's just courteous.  i was simply wondering.

quote:

  I think it's nice when people take the time to mention it, and there certainly are cases where it's appropriate to point out the full spectrum...but for the most people people post from the perspective that they know best and it's not an issue at all.


Thank You for the input, i quite agree.
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  Personally,  I prefer titles.

Dominant/submissive covers most everything.   Ther e is Master/slave as well as Domestic Discipline where there is a HOH. 
This site does not care that much as long as you remain respectful to all Dom's.   That is always a good practice for any of us.

Respectfully,

Mistress_Jan


Ahhh, but that doesn't cover M/s or Gor either.  -smiles-
 
quote:

  I try to just say "dominant", which covers both sexes. But no, it does not bother me. Starvation, AIDS, or the death of a loved one bothers me.
 
Level


quote:

  I don't mind political correctness as long as it doesn't interfere with legibility or understanding by the intended audience.

If I start writing about Dommes & Doms (in no particular order) being, notwithstanding the cases where neither sex applies, female and male, unless of course capitalization is desired, as in Female and Male, and subs and subbes being, notwithstanding idiots who desire a distinction, gender neutral, if the speaker wishes them to remain so, then the point of my statement is completely lost.

If anyone actually reads that entire paragraph, could they be so kind as to explain it to me?  Thanks.

As to being respectful to Doms, I'm not.  C'est la vie.

Yours,


benji

 
Well put, i couldn't agree with you more, benji

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  As a Libertarian, I make an art form out of being politicall incorrect. That said, I find Jack Rinella to be one of the most valuable resources in the BDSM community. He is a gay, male Dominant and I'm happily het. But I don't have a problem with applying his concepts to my situation


That's how i feel.  i try to take wisdom from wherever i can get it.  Even if it doesn't apply to my situation 100%.  Thank You for Your input.

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 8:23:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

I certainly hope not, since I tend to frame things in the terms that make sense to me, which is pan-gender... and, Universe forfend, with a greater measure of service focus than sexual focus... and, even less PC, with a strong spiritual component. *chuckles*

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-gasp-  Good God...not... dun dun dun... spirituality

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RE: Politically Correct - 6/2/2006 8:25:21 PM   
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