Casteele
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One thing I want to point out, there's no point in criticizing the OP about posting a thread on honesty when they are not honest themselves--Their post even tells you outright they are not being honest with their antics. Kindda like telling a blind man he cannot see. (And at worst, he'll just laugh and point out that clearly, you are the one who cannot see..)
But to turn this blatant troll into a real topic.. :-P
Honesty and clarity are really different things, as is objectivity. I know many people who truly believe they are being honest with themselves and others. Yet, myself and others see things in them that are contradictory to what they believe. I do not consider these people to be dishonest, just not seeing things as clearly due to personal involvement. (I'm not talking about those who delude themselves, justify themselves, or simply choose not to see the truth because they do not like it; Just the people who truly and honestly believe they are being objective when they are not.)
Look at it from the other perspective.. If someone lies, we tend to frame the liar as a bad person. But what about the person who believes the lie? Are they a bad person for believing? Is it dishonest of them to believe something untrue? Even when it's very apparent they simply want to believe the lie that they choose to ignore the facts. We only hold that against them in the end when they reject our attempts to "enlighten" them; Only then do we call them "dishonest" with themselves. Almost as if to say, they were not being dishonest with themselves prior to attempts at enlightenment.
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