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xssve -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 8:26:51 AM)

It's an apparent case of idolatry in any event, and were I the one apologizing, I would not hesitate to mention that, just sayin' - I believe idolatry is inconsistent with the teachings of the Koran - and the Bible.



Anaxagoras -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 8:33:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
As for Saint Rick, if Afghans burned two Roman Catholic Prayer Books, he'd be demanding we lob some nuclear bombs on the entire country of Afghanistain.

A large number of bibles were burnt in Afghanistan by the US military in 2009 to prevent proselytizing, which would anger Muslims there a great deal. Its worth remembering as well that bible burnings are certainly not an infrequent phenomenon in the Muslim world, for example routine burnings in Saudi Arabia and in Iran.

Its interesting that the recent reports in the mainstream media repeatedly stated how sacred the Koran is in the Islamic world almost as if it was apologism for the violence. After the recent controversies about the pastor in Florida such a fact is well known. Its unfortunate they don't have as much of an appreciation for human life as pieces of printed paper.

You know, a lot of folks have brought up that Muslims are being uncool killing over their religion, and I get that man...
But, ya know, there are two sides to every coin, ya know?

LOL whats with all the "ya know" "duuude" etc. business? Perchance an attempt at sarcasm? Next time I suggest you lay it on with something finer than a tarbrush.

If I said to you "Stalin killed 30 million", would your witty riposte be "there are two sides to every coin, ya know"?

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Maybe what we need to think about is that more than one person can be uncool. Maybe the folks who shoot folks about Korans are uncool, and pastors who burn Korans knowing that it will get US soldiers shot are uncool too, you know man?

Ok a pastor burnt one Koran. Never advocated it but lets have persepctive. In Saudi they burnt Bibles in the hundreds on a quite frequent basis.

The point has a profound meaning though. Why is it that such people think that a copy of the Koran is worth more than even a single human life? We all know that vast numbers have died due to religion over the last century for example. However, lets weigh the matter up, why is it that one life (or very many lives) is worth less than one Koran?

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Looking at it that way, it was pretty cool of the Pres to apologize and, like, try to make nice so our soldiers don't get shot at, right man?
Hey, hey, hey, listen, I just, I just got the coolest idea.

I never said the president was wrong to apologise. Not sure I agree with the apology but there is a fair argument for him doing so if only to save some lives.

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So we make Pot legal, all over the US, but only if it comes from Afghanistan.

The EU or China wouldn't be happy with that (or mellow, Dude). I can see it now - "The Pot Wars"... [:D]



SoftBonds -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 8:42:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
As for Saint Rick, if Afghans burned two Roman Catholic Prayer Books, he'd be demanding we lob some nuclear bombs on the entire country of Afghanistain.

A large number of bibles were burnt in Afghanistan by the US military in 2009 to prevent proselytizing, which would anger Muslims there a great deal. Its worth remembering as well that bible burnings are certainly not an infrequent phenomenon in the Muslim world, for example routine burnings in Saudi Arabia and in Iran.

Its interesting that the recent reports in the mainstream media repeatedly stated how sacred the Koran is in the Islamic world almost as if it was apologism for the violence. After the recent controversies about the pastor in Florida such a fact is well known. Its unfortunate they don't have as much of an appreciation for human life as pieces of printed paper.

You know, a lot of folks have brought up that Muslims are being uncool killing over their religion, and I get that man...
But, ya know, there are two sides to every coin, ya know?

LOL whats with all the "ya know" "duuude" etc. business? Perchance an attempt at sarcasm? Next time I suggest you lay it on with something finer than a tarbrush.

If I said to you "Stalin killed 30 million", would your witty riposte be "there are two sides to every coin, ya know"? By the way coins with identical sides have been minted.

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Maybe what we need to think about is that more than one person can be uncool. Maybe the folks who shoot folks about Korans are uncool, and pastors who burn Korans knowing that it will get US soldiers shot are uncool too, you know man?

Ok a pastor burnt one Koran. Never advocated it but lets have persepctive. In Saudi they burnt Bibles in the hundreds on a quite frequent basis.

The point has a profound meaning though. Why is it that such people think that a copy of the Koran is worth more than even a single human life? We all know that vast numbers have died due to religion over the last century for example. However, lets weigh the matter up, why is it that one life (or very many lives) is worth less than one Koran?

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Looking at it that way, it was pretty cool of the Pres to apologize and, like, try to make nice so our soldiers don't get shot at, right man?
Hey, hey, hey, listen, I just, I just got the coolest idea.

I never said the president was wrong to apologise. Not sure I agree with the apology but there is a fair argument for him doing so if only to save some lives.

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So we make Pot legal, all over the US, but only if it comes from Afghanistan.

The EU or China wouldn't be happy with that. I can see it now - "The Pot Wars"...

Sorry, I was trying to inject levity and reduce the tension in the thread...
The "Duuuude," was a persona I was playing with



Anaxagoras -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 8:51:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds
Sorry, I was trying to inject levity and reduce the tension in the thread...
The "Duuuude," was a persona I was playing with

Fair enough, thanks for explaining and no offense was taken. BTW when I mentioned Stalin's Russia it wasn't meant as a comparison but rather that the two sides argument doesn't follow. Iin this instance there because people are being killed over burnt books - a religious book that many find very precious but I doubt that there are truly two sides that have some fairly meaningful justification. It is interesting that the event was cynically used by Iran, Pakistan and perhaps the Afghani government to incite violence. This event could potentially get worse, spread to other regions like the cartoon issue did and lead to many more deaths. It might explain why a number of nations withdrew their people...



ashjor911 -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 9:08:17 AM)

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As long as the afghans haven't apologised for the destruction of those enormous 1500 year old statues they blew up because they where buddist,


As my memory helps me, "Taliban" did apologised for it.1999

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ORIGINAL: rockspider
i can't see any need for an apology. Neither any form of respect for their socalled religion.


are you saying that you "respect" 1500 years old stones more than religious people? jesus for example?
or its the same amount of "disrespect" to both?
or its just the "afghans & their socalled religion"?

I am just asking to know, if you really care about stones, then why did the US army strike with 7000 kg of nuclear waste on the afghani soil?
no, allow me .... Taliban?.... no no.... bin laden " Al kaeida"
Taliban is "now" not the enemy.... WFT then Why the 7000 kg??? oh yes it was for the 1500 year old statues.
If the CIA want " Al kaeida" out of the way they will do it with or without 1500 year old statues

What about What about the Babylonian monuments that were stolen from Iraq?
What about Egyptian antiquities stolen from Egypt?
Why they refuse to deliver it back to Egypt, or Iraq?

I wonder who speak of morality and they have no such thing.



joether -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 9:08:40 AM)

I find it amusing that people are trying to place Mr. Santorum up on the same level President Obama excels at without trying hard: Being an intelligent and civilized human being. Over this last summer, just how many conservatives/Republicans bashed President Obama about placing troops into Libya for the forceful removal of its goverment leaders? And yet, said nothing of the sort with the Taliban or Hussein? Even though all three were just bad news! Mr. Santorum would absolutely LOVE to get this nation into ANOTHER war in the Middle East on pure religious reasons. Republican Presidents LOVE to be involved in foreign conflicts. As this generally takes the US Population's mind off all the problems 'at home' and focus it on that region of the world. Can any of you (without looking it up) list the top five things former President George W. Bush did to advance America domestically?

Mr. Santorum does not behave 'Presidental' even on rare occasions. He has little regard to the suffering of Americans, the advancement of education for the next generation, no understanding of science and technology, and a 6th graders grasp of economics and mental health. I've encountered individuals like Mr. Santorum that needs his Bible to tell him what he should do, rather than behaving like he's got a PAIR! Besides, just how much experience does Mr. Santorum have with dealing with people from all walks of life and treating them the same across the board? Will he treat Americans fairly regardless of their religion? Their age? Their ancestory?

If I had to take a guess at Mr. Santorum's foreign policy it would be the 'Nukem 'Til They Glow!' or 'We come in peace (whisper) shoot to kill!'. He doesnt come across as someone that considers anything outside of his narrow tunnel vision he calls 'wisdom' (which is ironic, given the defination of the word).



SoftBonds -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 9:14:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

I find it amusing that people are trying to place Mr. Santorum up on the same level President Obama excels at without trying hard: Being an intelligent and civilized human being. Over this last summer, just how many conservatives/Republicans bashed President Obama about placing troops into Libya for the forceful removal of its goverment leaders? And yet, said nothing of the sort with the Taliban or Hussein? Even though all three were just bad news! Mr. Santorum would absolutely LOVE to get this nation into ANOTHER war in the Middle East on pure religious reasons. Republican Presidents LOVE to be involved in foreign conflicts. As this generally takes the US Population's mind off all the problems 'at home' and focus it on that region of the world. Can any of you (without looking it up) list the top five things former President George W. Bush did to advance America domestically?

Mr. Santorum does not behave 'Presidental' even on rare occasions. He has little regard to the suffering of Americans, the advancement of education for the next generation, no understanding of science and technology, and a 6th graders grasp of economics and mental health. I've encountered individuals like Mr. Santorum that needs his Bible to tell him what he should do, rather than behaving like he's got a PAIR! Besides, just how much experience does Mr. Santorum have with dealing with people from all walks of life and treating them the same across the board? Will he treat Americans fairly regardless of their religion? Their age? Their ancestory?

If I had to take a guess at Mr. Santorum's foreign policy it would be the 'Nukem 'Til They Glow!' or 'We come in peace (whisper) shoot to kill!'. He doesnt come across as someone that considers anything outside of his narrow tunnel vision he calls 'wisdom' (which is ironic, given the defination of the word).


I am not sure they are advances, but I can name at least 3 Bush domestic policies:
Office of Faith Based Initiatives, federal funding of religious groups
Medicare Drug Benefit, since the program wasn't going broke fast enough
No Child Left Behind, by 2028, all American kids will be "above average."



Moonhead -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 10:36:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: xssve

It's an apparent case of idolatry in any event, and were I the one apologizing, I would not hesitate to mention that, just sayin' - I believe idolatry is inconsistent with the teachings of the Koran - and the Bible.

Really?
I thought that was most of the hereticProtestant faiths' big objection to the mother church: all them graven images (mostly of the BVM) everywhere...



kalikshama -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 10:40:35 AM)

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I am not sure they are advances, but I can name at least 3 Bush domestic policies:


Policies, yes; advances, no.



Winterapple -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 11:03:28 AM)

Yep, all those pictures and statues of mom and Jesus were a big issue, pagan idolatry and all that. Some Protestant churches still
don't allow pictures of Jesus in the church and
of course Protestant Christianity is symbolized
by a plain cross not a crucifix. There are any
number of issues that separate Catholics and
Protestants today as in the past.
It's to bad the republican race has come
down to a Morman and two Catholics.
Not that I take Newts Catholicism seriously.
It would be more instructive if there was
a fundie in the mix like Baptist minister
Mike Huckabee. Then you'd have the three
strains of American Christian convervstism
embodied.
And you would be able to see how much they
don't like each other. How much they disagree.
You'd see that they all believe Jesus is
really extra special on their individual groups
side. They aren't the united front they seem
to be to secular observers.



whatisthewhat -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:13:19 PM)

If President Obama wants to apologize for a bunch of Korans being burned, I do not really care except that it's kinda' stupid. Who cares about burning a "holy" book? All religious texts are flawed. All of them could be burned, and I'd just yawn.



tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:22:58 PM)

You would yawn... some would kill. Is it worth that?



RacerJim -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:34:08 PM)


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Its Santorum... consider the source

It's Obama... consider the source began apologizing for America all over the world during his 2008 campaign and hasn't stopped since then.



tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:41:52 PM)

Obama only apologized for it taking us 8 years to get rid of the "bully on the block"



whatisthewhat -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:47:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You would yawn... some would kill. Is it worth that?


Anyone who would kill over a book that can and has been reproduced millions of times is a sad, pathetic, small minded human being. I prefer to not indulge their paranoid religious fantasies about some mythology. If they kill someone over it, they should be prosecuted like the murderers they are.



Moonhead -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:51:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its Santorum... consider the source

It's Obama... consider the source began apologizing for America all over the world during his 2008 campaign and hasn't stopped since then.

Then you won't have any trouble providing a citation for that, rather than parroting some talking head on Fox, will you?



slvemike4u -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:54:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its Santorum... consider the source

It's Obama... consider the source began apologizing for America all over the world during his 2008 campaign and hasn't stopped since then.

Bullshit.... but that's what I have come to expect :-)



mnottertail -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:55:10 PM)

Osama bin Laden, several other terrorists including some somali pirates apparently were not about to accept the apology in the real world.

But Faux knows better.



DarkSteven -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:55:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its Santorum... consider the source

It's Obama... consider the source began apologizing for America all over the world during his 2008 campaign and hasn't stopped since then.


I'm sorry, but I must have missed his apology for offing OBL, as well as his apology for bypassing Pakistani intelligence in so doing. Also his apology for stepping up unmanned drone attacks to knock out AQ militants in Pakistan, and the one for killing/taking prisoner Somali pirates on at least two occasions. Could you please provide links?



Moonhead -> RE: Is Obama's apology for Quran burning a sign of weakness? (2/27/2012 12:59:03 PM)

Doesn't look like he can, no.



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