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MrsT301 -> Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 7:33:25 AM)

Hi, I'm new here. This question is for the dominant men/women. Is it important to you that your sub enjoy themselves, or do you come first? I mean I guess in a way they are enjoying themselves anyway by serving you. I could see for some people that might be kind of one sided maybe? Especially stuff like teasing/chastity play. Then again maybe I'm wrong because if someone does those things it must be because they enjoy it on some level as a sub. Otherwise they wouldn't do it.




LaTigresse -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 7:43:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsT301

Hi, I'm new here. This question is for the dominant men/women. Is it important to you that your sub enjoy themselves, or do you come first? I mean I guess in a way they are enjoying themselves anyway by serving you. I could see for some people that might be kind of one sided maybe? Especially stuff like teasing/chastity play. Then again maybe I'm wrong because if someone does those things it must be because they enjoy it on some level as a sub. Otherwise they wouldn't do it.


For ME, on the surface, it's going to be all about ME. Her serving ME as I wish to be served with little regard for whether or not she is enjoying it. On the flip side of that however, is going to be the fact that she will be serving because it is what fulfills her as well.

BDSM play is not serving me. It is play, something we do when I feel like it and perhaps, even when she feels like it.

For the right person it isn't one sided. With the wrong person it is terribly one sided and won't last.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 7:45:28 AM)

I think any relationship, whether vanilla or BDSM, is a two-way street.




JeffBC -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 8:13:47 AM)

We don't "play" so for us there's just the business of getting through life. I love Carol a great deal so honestly, I probably err more on her side than mine. Left to my own devices I'd probably make the marriage all about her. She, of course, tries to make it all about me. We end up compromising in the middle somewhere.

In the end, as FTP said, all relationships are about a two way street.




lizi -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 8:21:50 AM)

My relationship is a bit different than most. My Dominant has a strong desire to please me to the point that it's more important to him to do that than to take for himself first. He's getting what he wants, in the manner that he wants it, whenever he chooses to do it.

It's actually very hard for me to accept. It is however important for him to do and he's the boss, so I do as he says. If that means I don't get to reciprocate then I don't and I hate that. Truly hate it, but it's what we do and we like it.

To us, it's very important that we both enjoy ourselves if we're in bed or at a football game, otherwise what are we doing with each other? If someone isn't meeting your needs in some fashion then what would be the point of being with them? If someone sticks around for what seems to be constant denial then I'd have to say it's working for them on some level. For instance, for us...on the surface he's giving me attention and consideration in all areas (not just sexual), but I have to accept that or move on as it's what makes him tick. Since it works for me, I'm still around. In fact his insistence on making me the center of attention is hard for me and I have to struggle, I like the struggle aspect, and I like working hard to find acceptable ways he'll allow me to give back. When I manage to give back within his boundaries, then I feel like I truly did something of importance and I worked for it.

It reinforces the property aspect for us and our positions in the relationship, although the setup might be a bit unconventional. On the surface, he is the ever attentive man at my side, I"ve been told he is the perfect gentleman and such a catch by many women I know. He dotes on me, compliments me, is protective, asks my opinion, and endearingly physical with holding hands and kissing my cheek. The thing people don't see is that I have to let him do that and it's hard for me, it takes work. I keep trying in many small ways to attend to him, when I can get a drink it's a relief. He's in control of all of it. Sometimes I go home having had a couple of orgasms while I never even touch his genitals. Drives me absolutely bonkers and not in a good way. I want to get in there and do for him in every area of life and he lets me know I can only do what he allows. While it works like a charm for the two of us, I can't say I'd seek this arrangement out with anyone else, it's really been driven by our personalities and how we relate to each other.




littlewonder -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 8:40:42 AM)

Both

He wants me to be happy but I'm also aware that his desires come first. He doesn't want a slave who doesn't enjoy serving him.




LaTigresse -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 8:42:15 AM)

Lizi, don't you think that you and Jeff have really touched on the one thing that sooooooo many of these discussions miss?

People get so focused on the abstract, how it must be, the big bad 'what-ifs' that we create in our heads, that they miss the most blindingly obvious part......whatever a relationship is, is totally and only defined by the individuals actually IN the relationship. And really, that's all that matters.




OsideGirl -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 8:57:48 AM)

He wants me to be happy, just like I want him to be happy. Why would you want to be in a relationship with someone that isn't enjoying being in the relationship?




lizi -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 9:08:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Lizi, don't you think that you and Jeff have really touched on the one thing that sooooooo many of these discussions miss?

People get so focused on the abstract, how it must be, the big bad 'what-ifs' that we create in our heads, that they miss the most blindingly obvious part......whatever a relationship is, is totally and only defined by the individuals actually IN the relationship. And really, that's all that matters.


I think it often gets overlooked. As humans we tend to generalize and we're comfortable when we can put things into a pattern that we are familiar with. I was told once by a counselor that people will always reach for the familiar as a first instinct, even when it is to their detriment; I think this is true. It's just a fact of being human - so it's hard to work past that into new territory. Don't you think that's why the discussion boards appeal to many of us? Because we know there's more out there than what is in our own lives and heads, and even if we think about it, we still need to become familiar with it by hearing from others and being able to get the wheels turning.

People generally enter new situations by finding out what the rules are so to speak, what is the general layout of the new thing. If they don't find the rules they ask, after all they need to start somewhere. Which is why I don't get too stressed if newer people ask a lot of the same questions or think that there are rules that they must follow. For them to see that it's up to them is pretty advanced thinking actually, the type of thing that needs a foundation to get there. After all, higher thinking processes are just that and they build on what you know first. I guess I feel that you have to start off somewhere and you eventually get to the part where you see all the rules and guidelines are irrelevant. I don't think you can get to that point without starting off with trying to find the rules first...does that make sense?




Kana -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 9:46:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsT301

Hi, I'm new here. This question is for the dominant men/women. Is it important to you that your sub enjoy themselves, or do you come first? I mean I guess in a way they are enjoying themselves anyway by serving you. I could see for some people that might be kind of one sided maybe? Especially stuff like teasing/chastity play. Then again maybe I'm wrong because if someone does those things it must be because they enjoy it on some level as a sub. Otherwise they wouldn't do it.

She has lots of little sub-kinks...but her primary kink is control.
As long as that's being exercised, as long as she's tightly leashed (Metaphorically as well as physically), and dominion is given over by her, then she's enjoying.
Perversely, this often means that the less she likes the exact act, the more it fits her need to be controlled, and thus the greater the pleasure stemming from the domination..
So by taking her and using her as I see fit, heedless of whether she likes/wants/needs/desires it, I am giving her exactly what she needs.
Get it?




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 10:33:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsT301
Hi, I'm new here. This question is for the dominant men/women. Is it important to you that your sub enjoy themselves, or do you come first?

Ultimately, I want us to both enjoy ourselves. Then, sometimes I do something just because I want to do it, whether he really wants to or not....as long as he doesn't have a hard limit against it. In the end, though, I want both of us to be happy. Relationships really are a two-way street.

NBMG




RumpusParable -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 10:44:47 AM)

Chael waits on me. Why? Because I love to be waited on and he shows love by waiting on a person (me). It's symbiotic, compatible, mutually happy-making.





LaTigresse -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 11:08:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lizi


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Lizi, don't you think that you and Jeff have really touched on the one thing that sooooooo many of these discussions miss?

People get so focused on the abstract, how it must be, the big bad 'what-ifs' that we create in our heads, that they miss the most blindingly obvious part......whatever a relationship is, is totally and only defined by the individuals actually IN the relationship. And really, that's all that matters.


I think it often gets overlooked. As humans we tend to generalize and we're comfortable when we can put things into a pattern that we are familiar with. I was told once by a counselor that people will always reach for the familiar as a first instinct, even when it is to their detriment; I think this is true. It's just a fact of being human - so it's hard to work past that into new territory. Don't you think that's why the discussion boards appeal to many of us? Because we know there's more out there than what is in our own lives and heads, and even if we think about it, we still need to become familiar with it by hearing from others and being able to get the wheels turning.

People generally enter new situations by finding out what the rules are so to speak, what is the general layout of the new thing. If they don't find the rules they ask, after all they need to start somewhere. Which is why I don't get too stressed if newer people ask a lot of the same questions or think that there are rules that they must follow. For them to see that it's up to them is pretty advanced thinking actually, the type of thing that needs a foundation to get there. After all, higher thinking processes are just that and they build on what you know first. I guess I feel that you have to start off somewhere and you eventually get to the part where you see all the rules and guidelines are irrelevant. I don't think you can get to that point without starting off with trying to find the rules first...does that make sense?


It makes perfect sense and thank you.

I am often, very impatient. I am not a good teacher/trainer because of this. Things that seem very simple and easy to me, are difficult for me to explain to someone that isn't grasping it quickly.

Add to that, the fact that under the umbrella of WIIWD, the relationships are nearly as varied as those in them....and you have a perfect recipe for confusion. Especially I think, when you have a personality that likes things neat, tidy, organized, easily identified.

Which leads me to consider the varied answers on the thread a slave wrote about her owner wanting her to lose weight, get a tattoo, and refuse a promotion. Each person's reaction was correct as it applies to their own relationship and relationship needs. It doesn't make the opposing points of view wrong, just not necessarily good for everyone, or all relationships.




SaharahEve -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 11:18:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsT301

Hi, I'm new here. This question is for the dominant men/women. Is it important to you that your sub SLAVES enjoy themselves, or do you come first?


They enjoy themselves by making me come first. The fact that I do come first in all things is what fulfills them. Do note my above caveat, however; I'm not ever interested in "subs."




SailingBum -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 11:28:30 AM)

So you see by the responses every relationship is different. Only you can decide what works for you.

BadOne




Focus50 -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 11:56:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsT301

Hi, I'm new here. This question is for the dominant men/women. Is it important to you that your sub enjoy themselves, or do you come first? I mean I guess in a way they are enjoying themselves anyway by serving you. I could see for some people that might be kind of one sided maybe? Especially stuff like teasing/chastity play. Then again maybe I'm wrong because if someone does those things it must be because they enjoy it on some level as a sub. Otherwise they wouldn't do it.


Call it pride but it's very important to me that my girl enjoys that which I choose to do with/to her. That would be an overall enjoyment/fulfillment rather than striving to be impossibly perfect every single time. Plus sometimes I like to see her suffer.... ;)

I s'pose it might be just male ego, too - to make them wanna come back for more.

It's only "all about me" in the sense that I formulate the personal and household rules as well as acceptable standards of her behaviour and generally decide which means or direction a particular scene goes.

Focus.




MrsT301 -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 12:05:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

So by taking her and using her as I see fit, heedless of whether she likes/wants/needs/desires it, I am giving her exactly what she needs.
Get it?


Yes I think so. Using someone who wants to be used basically makes them happy so it is not one sided. Or humiliating someone who wants to be humiliated. Or cuckolding someone who wants to be cuckolded. Or whatever the case may be. As long as that's what they enjoy.

It may look one sided to someone else (like the threads about masters not wanting to have sex with their slaves, which admittedly I didnt read every single page of) but obviously they must enjoy that or they wouldnt consent.




BitaTruble -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 12:40:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrsT301

Is it important to you that your sub enjoy themselves, or do you come first?

Not for me. I don't require their enjoyment, just their consent. If they enjoy it as well, I don't begrudge it but if I see they are enjoying things too much and it distracts my focus, I'll change things up so it's not quite so enjoyable.

Screams, tears and blood - the smell of fear, the body as canvass or target are miles above happy sighs and giggles for me but then I am a sadist. Hmm.. maybe I shouldn't have answered the question. [:D]




LoreBook -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 12:59:42 PM)

In theory it should be all about me, but that same theory holds that making it all about me is what fulfills him/her. But what is entailed in serving me might be very different from what would be entailed in serving somebody else, so in practice it can be hard to tell just who is serving who at times.





kitkat105 -> RE: Is it one-sided? (2/28/2012 1:22:48 PM)

As far as the relationship goes, of course you have to enjoy each other. Why would you be together? A submissive is not going to submit to someone she (or he) does not love, care for, etc. I think a Dominant will also enjoy it more if he turns his sub is fulfilled.

As far as playing goes, well, I'm more than happy to participate in things that he enjoys more than I do. While I may not enjoy the particularly activity, it's still a turn on because he's showing power & control over me by making that decision and enforcing it. Of course, I'm lucky enough to have found someone who seems to enjoy things that I do. Win-win.




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