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A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 7:46:50 AM   
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The Republican presidential field has decided to aggressively attack President Barack Obama on gas prices, which have risen steadily over the past five months. But that’s not a winning strategy according to Washington Post columnist George Will.

On Sunday’s “This Week” on ABC, host George Stephanopoulos ask Will if the eventual Republicans nominee could walk back some of the perceived missteps they have made over cultural issues in some eyes, at least from the perspectives of Current TV host and former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm and ABC contributor Cokie Roberts.

“It depends in part on events — if they get some help from Greece and Europe and other things that make the economy unavoidable as an issue, they will,” Will said. “But now they think they’re going to float in on high gas prices — something like that. I mean it’s just preposterous.”

Will scoffed at complaints from Republicans earlier in the week, including Republican Florida Rep. Allen West and GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich.

“Allen West from South Florida, a Republican, said he was outraged this week because it cost him $70 to fill his car,” Will said. “He drives a Hummer. Newt Gingrich said the American people have a right to demand $2.50 gas. They have a right to demand lobsters grow on trees. This is economic nonsense.”


Nice to see some sanity from the Right.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 7:53:41 AM   
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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 8:35:52 AM   
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Nice to see some sanity from the Right.


I know you are referring to George Will.

I roll my eye whenever I hear about Allen West:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/392599/july-20-2011/congressional-partisan-rancorv

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/29/allen-west-unloads-on-debbie-wasserman-schultz-again_n_987720.html

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-july-28-2011/republicans-watch--the-town-


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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 8:42:38 AM   
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I like how George Will conducts himself.


Me too. I disagree with him, but I've also read his stuff sometimes and said, "Well, that's a good point."

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 9:44:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if the Republicans are bitching so much, we could just set gas prices to $2.50 across the country. That might cut into their corporation donors (like the Koch Brothers), but I'm sure the folks that voted them into office, those 'considerate, honest, kind, intelligent, and wise' conservatives will overlook the SOCIALISTIC action of their law makers. If a Republican regulates the cost of something wholly its not socialism, its 'free enterprise adjustment' or some other political spin buzz word.

Rep. Allen West does indeed represent what is best in Republican thoughts and ideals. They should become more like him, so that Democrats can win even MORE in November.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 11:30:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		You guys had no problems bashing Bush over gas prices... Just sayin

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 11:33:13 AM   
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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 12:53:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Peter Schiff explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQYy25kLijA

Also, he destroys Bill O'Reilly here.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 1:44:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		What gets to me about this situation is Obama…before you jump with both feet let me explain….It was Bush before him…and Clinton before him…and back to the 1970’s.

During the last gas crisis and the one before….and the one before…and the one before…The reining political party was all for alternate fuel sources… THEN… just as soon as Americans stopped driving and they could not sell gas the price fell and alternate fuel sources were forgotten.

Yes the Republicans were and are the obstruction party when it comes to some sources like wind but Obama should have kept the high gas boogieman in the forefront and made the development of these sources a primary goal of his administration.

Just imagine if he had been on congress from the beginning of his administration how he would look today and how bad the Republicans would look.

Otherwise both parties are idiots that can’t see past their campaign reelection funds.


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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 1:58:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

As much as we are not aligned politically... I like how George Will conducts himself. "He drives a Hummer" ... very simply stated and it puts the ranting liar away in one small bite.


So he's a hummersexual in both sense, then?



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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 2:13:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		What it would actually take is a politician with the courage to stop artificially holding fuel prices down.
Allow the unfettered market(sound familiar Republicans?) to actually set the price...alternate ,clean renewable fuel sources wuld than get the push they should get.
Of course such a politician could forget about ever getting re-elected.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 2:20:48 PM   
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Bush was bashed over his ties to big oil...and his complete blind loyalty to the House of Saud ....just sayin


Not one mention of Clinton's ties to the house of Saud, or Obama's general love of all things Muslim... Just sayin

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 2:22:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

What it would actually take is a politician with the courage to stop artificially holding fuel prices down.
Allow the unfettered market(sound familiar Republicans?) to actually set the price...alternate ,clean renewable fuel sources wuld than get the push they should get.
Of course such a politician could forget about ever getting re-elected.


Remove all the TAXES government collects on every gallon, and you got a deal.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 2:26:23 PM   
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Geez,to listen to you guys talk about it when we are discussing social programs and you would think deficits matter....switch the conversation to "taxes" and you folks don't really give a shit do you ?

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 2:28:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

Peter Schiff explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQYy25kLijA

Also, he destroys Bill O'Reilly here.
You're a relative kid, so you've probably never heard of Joe Granville.
Give him a Google. While you're at it, check out the "Sharpshooter Fallacy".

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 2:34:50 PM   
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You're a relative kid, so you've probably never heard of Joe Granville.
Give him a Google. While you're at it, check out the "Sharpshooter Fallacy".


Granville (from what I know) was a perma-bear.

Schiff is no such thing; he has an excellent track record of prediction, as do all the other Austrian economists.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 2:58:48 PM   
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You're a relative kid, so you've probably never heard of Joe Granville.
Give him a Google. While you're at it, check out the "Sharpshooter Fallacy".


Granville (from what I know) was a perma-bear.

Schiff is no such thing; he has an excellent track record of prediction, as do all the other Austrian economists.
Yeah, okey dokey... Eric Tyson on Schiff's Predictions

Now, you can follow gurus if you want to. Plenty of people followed Granville after he got it right ONCE (as I recall). Me, I've learned about gurus...
Don't Follow Leaders, Watch the Parking Meters...


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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 3:19:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
You're a relative kid, so you've probably never heard of Joe Granville.
Give him a Google. While you're at it, check out the "Sharpshooter Fallacy".

Granville (from what I know) was a perma-bear.

Schiff is no such thing; he has an excellent track record of prediction, as do all the other Austrian economists.
Yeah, okey dokey... Eric Tyson on Schiff's Predictions

Now, you can follow gurus if you want to. Plenty of people followed Granville after he got it right ONCE (as I recall). Me, I've learned about gurus...
Don't Follow Leaders, Watch the Parking Meters...

I have one of Joe Granvilles old books on technical analysis.. I respect him for giving me that early knowledge..
imo, no guru or expert is right 100% of the time.. imo, everyone needs to become their own expert.. sure, listen to what the experts (both bears and bulls) have to say, look hard at the reasons they cite for their predictions, dig deeper where you can, then based on facts and solid reasoning, make up your own dam mind! lol

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 3:34:17 PM   
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"So, stockpiling gold and staying out of stocks hasn't work so well for Schiff."

What? Gold was at $250 back when Schiff suggested to buy it; it's over $1700 now. Also, he hasn't neglected stocks. He's been buying foreign stocks, which have outperformed US stocks considerably. Even after the crash, they've rebounded better.

"Schiff also said, "At a minimum, the dollar will lose another 40 to 50 percent of its value." Wrong, wrong again on this one!"

The dollar has lost a lot of its value, and will continue to do so. Just because it hasn't lost 50% since 2009 doesn't mean it won't in the near future. A man falling from a skyscraper can still say things aren't so bad as he's passing the 20th floor. He can say "well things are okay, so far!"

"Mr. Hartman proceeded to tell me how he invested $200,000 through Schiff's firm and now had just half of that left!"

When was this money invested? It doesn't say. It's likely that clients at other brokerage firms have lost similar amounts during this time period. No one accuses Warren Buffet of having a bogus investment strategy when he lost billions during the financial crisis.

"This was wrong as commodity prices have plunged since this interview (see graph below). Foreign stocks actually declined more in 2008 than did U.S. stocks so Schiff was wrong on that count too."

What have commodities done since then?

Sure, I can follow these "gurus." I've made massive profits from following Schiff, Jim Rogers, Marc Faber, other Austrians.

Also I can't find anything by this "Eric Tyson" regarding his predictions prior to September 2008. Where are they? Most articles I find are him criticizing others, yet offering no practical analysis; he simply cherry picks quotes and then attacks. Oh well... What can you expect from a Yale economics graduate? What a garbage program.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/2/2012 3:47:50 PM   
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Just imagine if he had been on congress from the beginning of his administration how he would look today and how bad the Republicans would look.


I agree, just imagine that. John Boehner and his crew of fucking do-nothings would have had another range. Spring is on the way and outside the usual pressures from external sources such as well Arabs and their zany version of everyday life and the long slow playing out of a M.A.D. policy with Israel.... We have our annual cycle of forcing the supply and demand model in our faces. How many time do you have to hear refineries need to be retooled, rebuilt, upgraded? And that's our spring, making sure gas prices are positioned for when we hit the road... they go down when the vacations are over, and then just before it's time to hit the malls they get jacked up again.
The Oil companies have gotten into the habit of using any event they can to hint that there is some kind of shortage. And the increases in price have NO REFLECTION on supply. Or perhaps someone can point to a time in the past decade when the prices went up and you had to wait in line all over the country,
I think in this case George Will is DEAD ON about his party and the actual energy situation. And while I am never a real big fan of the conservatives, I think you younger (40s on down) Neocons ought to listen to the various conservative voices that are coming forward to explain how things are ACTUALLY working. There's more sensible men and women coming forward to warn you about these neocon talking heads and bad implementers than I ever thought I'd hear.
If you guys pay attention to THEM, you can get your party working and help do the same for this country. You don't have to give away the ranch. But you can't just sit there pretending Cantor, Ryan , Boehner, et al are DOING ANYTHING besides of course tipping over the SUV and setting it on fire so no one else can get by.
There are still resources within the republican party that Ginrich and subsequent revisionist fucks didn't drive out yet. Use em!


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