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tazzygirl -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:20:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: Birthcontrolbuzz shows that most birth control pills (they have something like a dozen different brands listed!) run about $20/month, or $250/year That's a Canadian pharmacy! Planned Parenthood says $15 to $50 a month. Implanon costs 300 - 400 for insertion.. another 100 for removal... and can only be used for three years. First, you’ll need to get a prescription. Visit a Planned Parenthood health center, a clinic, or a private health care provider for a prescription. Your health care provider will discuss your medical history with you, check your blood pressure, and give you any other medical exam that you may need. If you need an exam, it may cost about $35–$250. Birth control pills may be purchased with a prescription at a drugstore or clinic. They cost about $15–$50 a month. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/birth-control-pill-4228.htm I see an easy $850 a year for birth control costs... More when you first begin because they want to see you more often.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:21:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: Birthcontrolbuzz shows that most birth control pills (they have something like a dozen different brands listed!) run about $20/month, or $250/year That's a Canadian pharmacy! The left's vaunted Planned Parenthood posts Cost about $15–$50 each month. So that's 180 - 600/yr. (1800/3 year) That's a far cry from Ms. Fluke's 3000 no matter how you cut it. And MS. Fluke was not there discussing contraceptives for purely medical reasons but her desire as to recreational sex. Yeah, it would be like a drunk's desire for insurance coverage as to cab fare for his recreational drinking. You may want to check my previous post. Do you think Dr's just give out prescriptions free of charge?

Raiikun -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:23:02 PM)
Thanks for repeating the same page I read to get the $15-$50 a month from when someone posted those were Canadian Pharmacy prices (which is all I was responding to). :p

tazzygirl -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:24:16 PM)
Wiki is great for some information.. facts mostly.. when a bill was passed.. definitions... sponsors.... but remember, anyone can go into wiki and ass entries... dont take it as fact.

mnottertail -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:25:03 PM)
generally does not mean that even in a fucked up Limbaugh world. Who wrote the feminist and activist shit in wikipedia? I mean she is a female, who else would then be a feminist. Now card carrying feminist, whats the citation? activist, whats the citation? I mean give me reasons to believe, not some quickly pissed up op-ed bullshit. Now I see that she has a long list of womens advocacy, and that wouldn't make her a slut, in general. Nor would her activism make her a slut in general. I think Robert Kennedy, for example, advocated for rights for certain segments of our society that he felt were oppressed in comparison, and he was a family man, not much or a real down to earth slut. Now, Abraham Lincoln supposedly advocated on behalf of blacks, and he was hardly a slut, I dont think he would bend over and most other republicans would cornhole him, for instance. so you mischaracterise feminist advocacy and activism, and use general to mean something other than it has meant for hundreds of years. I cannot accept that Abraham Lincoln was a common crackwhore. I just cant stretch credulity like that.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:25:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Thanks for repeating the same page I read to get the $15-$50 a month from when someone posted those were Canadian Pharmacy prices (which is all I was responding to). :p chuckles its more than 15 - 50 babe.

mnottertail -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:26:26 PM)
I assume that number is out of pocket copay.

Raiikun -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:35:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I assume that number is out of pocket copay. Nah, my brother's girlfriend is getting hers without insurance for about $75 for 3 months worth. Edit: Typo with numbers.

mnottertail -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:37:02 PM)
Yeah, everybody has a cats uncles story to tell, it dont really cut shit with me though. Somebody always knows somebody, but there are many people in this world, so its not hard to know somebody who knows somebody.

dcnovice -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 4:44:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: You didn't put religious right in your list of choices so I didn't bring them up. But since you mentioned them, do you think they are worse than the religious left? Now I know the ones on the right make all the noise and the ones on the left sit back and smile a lot, but are they really that much different? Now there are certainly times I wish they would just shut the fuck up, but I wouldn't call them the scum of the earth. Well, maybe some of them. It's hard to imagine someone's being unable (or unwilling?) to distinguish between, say, Gene Robinson or Jim Wallis and Pat Robertson or Jim Dobson. I have heard of Pat Robertson and the name Dobson sounds familiar but I am not sure who the other two are. Was there a point to this? There was. You seemed unable to distinguish between the religious left and the religious right, a viewpoint that struck me as neither thoughtful nor reality-based. So I offered examples of how their spokespeople were quite different.

Edwynn -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 5:22:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie You have a comprehension problem. All my professors said otherwise. I'll take their word over yours. TOS prevents me from saying what your problem is, not that most others here would actually need it spelled out for them.

Lucylastic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 5:26:52 PM)
Yachtie,that has to be one of the most specious posts Ive ever read, there are links after links and transcript posts, telling you JUST what she said but you use wikipedia, NOT the actual body of her transcript to defend your analogies and plain miscomprehenision?? Or are u playing this just for shits n giggles... I dont need a response. I made up my own mind

slvemike4u -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 5:33:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I find it amazing watching the CONTORTIONS conservatives on an adult alternative lifestyle web site will go thru when they see their Rush in trouble. The level of amusement some of you are supplying for me is just.....priceless. Thanks a lot all so damm funny,the poster above just managed to make the phrase "recreational sex" seem downright .....dirty !!!!!! My,my,my...."recreational sex"....imagine that. The topic escapes you, does it? Your hypocrisy escapes you,does it?

TheHeretic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 6:59:03 PM)
To the outraged, to the merely offended, and assorted, bemused bystanders; Let me invite you to read the original passage, with a bit of emphasis added, as it certainly seems to be required. quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I'm not kidding in any way, Ken. Joe the Plumber didn't need to be destroyed in the public arena because he asked a hypothetical, phrased in the first person. He needed to be destroyed to distract any and all attention away from the answer he received. Had then candidate Obama given a bland, non-answer sort of answer, there never would have been a story to begin with. This is the standard in play. When a private citizen comes into the lights of a polarizing national discussion, deliberately, or by fluke, character assassination among the chattering classes is the way the game gets played. It isn't very nice, but I'll be happy to go over the Alinsky method again, if need be. This young woman got up and talked about her right to subsidized promiscuity. Guess what? A guy who finances his private jet, his luxury oceanfront home, his wild overseas sexual tourism escapades, and hiring Elton John to come perform at his wedding, by being outrageous and controversial, is going to call her a slut. Understand the equivalency now? Holy crap! The Heretic said he was going to demonstrate, and then he did! Oh my God! And those words he used! Only some women are on birth control just because they like to fuck, but he made that one poor girl who stuck her head up, into a caricature! Yep. Sometimes old Saul just works overtime for you. I cannot believe that who pays for birth control is our most pressing domestic issue for discussion. Birth control is only one of many reproductive health services that aren't covered by insurance. I suggested earlier along that might be worth looking into, but I guess it wasn't. I've also suggested a few other issues people of any political or social persuasion might do better concerning themselves with. Only one taker, for the lowest hanging piece of fruit, and he couldn't get a grip on it. If we are going to argue about distractions, by the dirty rules where people are fine with Paul Ryan getting depicted pushing a woman in a wheelchair over a cliff, or where somebody who spouts as Bill Maher does feels free to be a big Obama donor out in public, welcome to the world you have welcomed.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 7:25:02 PM)
Rich, mind telling me what services are not provided for?

dcnovice -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 7:41:21 PM)
quote: I cannot believe that who pays for birth control is our most pressing domestic issue for discussion. I can't either, actually. I But didn't our Republican brethren play a role in bringing the issue to the forefront with the House's (all-male) hearing on the subject and the Blunt Amendment in the Senate? quote: Birth control is only one of many reproductive health services that aren't covered by insurance. I suggested earlier along that might be worth looking into, but I guess it wasn't. I agree here too. (We have to stop meeting like this!) I know folks who've spent small fortunes on fertility treatments. I think it would be a great subject for another thread. quote: If we are going to argue about distractions, by the dirty rules where people are fine with Paul Ryan getting depicted pushing a woman in a wheelchair over a cliff, or where somebody who spouts as Bill Maher does feels free to be a big Obama donor out in public, welcome to the world you have welcomed. We both know that playing dirty is a (bad) bipartisan habit. I'll see your Paul Ryan with the 1980 ad of Tip O'Neill as a reckless driver, and I'll raise you the effort to paint Mike Dukakis as unpatriotic because he vetoed a bill he thought unconstitutional.

TheHeretic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 7:44:18 PM)
Tazzy, you have mail.

TheHeretic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 8:01:02 PM)
There you go, DC. Now don't get me wrong, because I do love that a girl half a world away is stomping her foot at me, and insisting I answer this minute, long after the 'puter is powered down, and I'm in bed, but I think we are all doing ourselves a big disservice by only talking about things that lend themselves to sharp social/partisan divides, and ignoring matters that ought to be of concern to everyone.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 8:37:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Tazzy, you have mail. Responded Rich [:D]

SternSkipper -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/5/2012 9:37:08 PM)
quote: There was. You seemed unable to distinguish between the religious left and the religious right, a viewpoint that struck me as neither thoughtful nor reality-based. So I offered examples of how their spokespeople were quite different. "Conservatives" whose historic understanding of self stretches back maybe 6 months... Ain't that a hoot DC?

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