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slvemike4u -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 11:22:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dovie

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Back on topic:

CNN is reporting that Santorum and Scott Brown have criticized Rush.


Is Santorum going to pay back the education he stole first?  LOL

hi dc...kisses
dovie

Sorry folks, I just had surgery on my back and my allergies are acting up. I know most of you are not used to me in P&R. Blame it in on the pain and allergy meds. [:D]

From someone who has gone thru recovery after back surgery 6 times...good luck,take it easy,use the pain meds as described.
By that I mean do not decide early that you don't need them any longer(as lots of folks today decide,the aversion to pain meds has a lot to do with the fear of developing addiction )pain,where back surgery is involved,is actually an impediment to the healing process.
It forces tension thoughout the body which in the case of someone who has had back surgery is contra-indicated .
So take all your meds,kick back(hang out here) and relax,the world will spin just fine without you taking an active part in keeping it going.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 11:26:57 AM)


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I like the idea of women taking ownership of the word slut and making it a statement of pride in their sexuality. After all, every male in our culture is encouraged to be a slut. Why should only men get to do it?
And that is before noting that if all men are supposed to be sluts, they are going to need a good supply of female sluts just to do so...
Now I do have a problem with prudes. Do what you want with your own life, but if you judge me or mine, realize I will fixate on you and try to figure out what deep dark kink is making you such a prude, then imagine you doing it and wank off to it. How is that for a threat???

Edit: Warning, the strategy for prudes does not work on Ann Coulter. Ugh, it was far worse punishment for me than it could have been for her... needless to say I didn't even get close to coming...


Well, I'm not a big fan of the taking ownership of bad words sort of approach. But I do honestly believe that if people felt it was okay for a woman to be sexually active outside of marriage, this thread would not even exist. There is a percentage of the population that feel that women should not be sexually active. And so any discussion around contraception becomes bogged down in discussions about women being "sluts" and being "promiscuous", while all the younger conservatives and gray haireds shake their heads and go tsk, tsk, tsk.

It is outdated, and it is absolutely imposing their view of sex on the rest of us. As I often say on so many threads, those who want to be more conservative - fine, don't have sex, don't use contraception. Leave the rest of us alone!!!




DaddySatyr -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 11:33:00 AM)

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Winning elections is a simple process. All you have to do is get more people to come into your tent than the other side does.
To do that, you make your tent nice and big and inviting. The Right Wingers have done the opposite. The Republican tent used to be big. As long as you were a moral person who believed in a strong defense and fiscal conservancy, you were welcome.

30 years ago, the tent started to shrink. Worse yet, it started to move. People who had comfortably sat under the R tent for decades found themselves out and exposed because they MOVED THE DAMN TENT. Not only did they move it, they made it really small. Then, when you wanted back in to what you thought was YOUR tent, you find out that they changed the rules for admission.

Disgusted, you walk away. Then, on the horizon, you see a big tent that has D on it. In front of that tent, there's a sign that said "Independents Welcome"

The rest is the history of a party that destroyed itself.


Some of us walked into the tent marked "L" (For Libertarian) as we understand that Rush, at best, is a "useful idiot" for the machine that wants us to think that they're doing something.

I was a volunteer on the first campaign of President Reagan and I voted for him and donated money, the second time (I'm 47 I wasn't old enough to vote for him the first time). I had to think hard before I pulled the lever for King George I but, I held my nose and did it, both times.

Around the time of his first campaign, I began to realize that conservatism wasn't speaking to all my issues.

I had a problem with people being denied the right to marry/sleep with/love whoever they choose to. In fairness, I had a problem with how some of the people fighting for those rights engaged the "enemy" so, I didn't join the fight.

I had a problem with the sneaky, under-handed, empire building that this country was doing through covert (Iran/Contra) and not so covert (Manuel Noriega) operations. In contrast, I had a problem with the people who blamed the military (and even some of the soldiers) so, I didn't join their cause, either.

When President Clinton was elected, I didn't vote for him but I hopes for the best. I had to hold my nose while I pulled the lever for his opponent so, I wasn't all that upset.

The first thing President Clinton did was to establish that at $24,000 per year with a family of 3, I was rich because he raised my taxes, after promising to only raise them on rich people. I'm not sure but, I don't think the party I threw to celebrate my new-found wealth was well attended.

The second thing he did was to alienate a bunch of people when he started talking about "vast right wing conspiracy" and how he was going to eliminate "hate speech" which was defined as anyone that didn't kiss his ass.

It was around this time, in a very serious way that I started realizing that neither of the "Big Two" represented my thoughts and will for this once-great nation so, I started doing some research.

I took stock in myself and I realized that I was socially liberal and fiscally conservative and that I think the Constitution is more holy than the Bible.

I stopped looking at things based upon what "my party" had to say about them and based my views on what I felt in my heart.

Rush limbaugh does not speak for me but, neither do any on the left. I agree with some points with both sides but I will never "toe the party line" ever again because even the Libertarian party hasn't quite gotten it right, yet.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




thishereboi -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 11:35:24 AM)


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Do ordinary right wingers in the US actually admire such despicable qualities? Are they so insecure that they require reassurance from such a dubious source?


no and no

Serious question, boi. Would you consider yourself a Right Winger or a Conservative?


I don't see a whole lot of difference between the two.




thishereboi -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 11:37:14 AM)


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Do ordinary right wingers in the US actually admire such despicable qualities? Are they so insecure that they require reassurance from such a dubious source?


no and no

Lie and lie........considering all the defending you`ve done of rush.......


Got any links where I defended something he said?




Moonhead -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 11:48:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Some of us walked into the tent marked "L" (For Libertarian) as we understand that Rush, at best, is a "useful idiot" for the machine that wants us to think that they're doing something.

So how many of you manly independent libertarians have told Limpdick to stop claiming that he speaks for the whole of the American right?
The Republicans have an excuse to bottle that one, as he pretty much is their party leader, which is why none of their nominees has had the balls to gainsay him on this shit, but what's the libertarian excuse for keeping schtum about this bullshit, or any of his other bullshit?
You're independents, remember? Either disassociate yourselves from this nonsense or shut up about it.




Lucylastic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 11:55:58 AM)

YAY




Moonhead -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 11:57:09 AM)

Enjoy the post while it lasts: it'll probably be modded before the date changes.




DaddySatyr -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:01:22 PM)

I thought I just had disassociated myself from him. I guess you didn't read the whole thing where I called him a useful idiot and said that he didn't speak for me?

Or, are we just trying to pick a fight?



Peace and comfort,



Michael


ETA: Libertarians aren't on "the right", by the way




Moonhead -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:04:21 PM)

Between the two of us: if you're talking about electioneering for three republicans but can't cite anything you did to remove yourself from that camp, it looks a bit half assed. Sorry, but there it is.
(And if I was trying to pick a fight, you'd know about it.)

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ETA: Libertarians aren't on "the right", by the way

So you're in favour of federal spending where the funds are raised through taxation, then are you?




Lucylastic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:05:24 PM)

Probably..but while its here, you got it right on the nose... The memes and excuses get the contempt they deserve




TheHeretic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:09:32 PM)

It's interesting, Edwynn, that the bit you left out in your snip, was the part that undermined the whole premise of your reply. Thoughts can only be expressed within your narrow frame of vision, and politically correct terminology.





DaddySatyr -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:11:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Between the two of us: if you're talking about electioneering for three republicans but can't cite anything you did to remove yourself from that camp, it looks a bit half assed. Sorry, but there it is.
(And if I was trying to pick a fight, you'd know about it.)


Electioneering? I worked for and contributed to ONE Republican. I think you need some work on your reading comprehension.

My speaking about Republican presidents/candidates doesn't negate what I said about Rush, by the way. Two seperate subjects but this tack is familair, somehow ...

I beat up on King George I, pretty well but, I'm sure you didn't notice that. I even took a little bit of a swipe at President Reagan but, that's not your point. Your point is to "accuse" me of things I haven't done and score cheap points (while telling me to shut up). Well ... life is tough in the aluminum siuding business, honey. I'll post where, when, and what I want (within TOS).

We're done, here.



Thank you for your attention. That is all.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Moonhead -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:13:56 PM)

Two Reagan terms and Bush Imprimis is three.




DomKen -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:16:58 PM)


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You've got to be kidding.

How precisely was fact checking Sam Wurzelbacher's untrue claims, he was not a plumber and was not in a position to buy the company that employed him, equivalent to calling a law school student a "slut?"



I'm not kidding in any way, Ken. Joe the Plumber didn't need to be destroyed in the public arena because he asked a hypothetical, phrased in the first person. He needed to be destroyed to distract any and all attention away from the answer he received. Had then candidate Obama given a bland, non-answer sort of answer, there never would have been a story to begin with.

Precisely how was Sam Wurzelbacher destroyed? He now makes more money doing the conservative talk circuit than he ever did as a unlicensed plumbers asistant.

You've taken your abusrd belief that everything the consrvative movement does is inpsired by behavior on the left to new heights of ridiculousness.

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This young woman got up and talked about her right to subsidized promiscuity.

No where did Ms. Fluke demand that anyone subsidize promiscuity. That you dare equate access to contraception to promiscuity is disgusting.




cloudboy -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:17:57 PM)


The driving force behind conservative talk radio is anger and scape-goating.

One has to love the disconnect between:

(1) Being against contraception AND abortion.

&

(2) Not wanting to subsidize poor families.

(3) No sex & unlimited guns. (a real bad combination)




Moonhead -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:18:35 PM)

He hates her because she doesn't have a foreskin.
[;)]




TheHeretic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:20:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Thank you for speaking so eloquently against social security...



That sounds like it needs to be a whole other thread, Softbonds.

Perhaps you'd care to offer something about Rush Limbaugh's freedom of speech, to steer back in on this one?




tazzygirl -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:22:33 PM)


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But since Rush brought it up, FTP felt that we might take the opportunity to address the issue of modern day relationships and what they entail also; it's out there now, it's not going away. I understand that, and feel likewise. I was responding to her post concerning the still existing anachronistic attitudes towards women's sexuality in contemporary society.



This is absolutely what is at play here. Isn't it interesting that when referring to women and their approach to sex, we have the words prude or slut - but there is nothing in between. How telling is that?



I like the idea of women taking ownership of the word slut and making it a statement of pride in their sexuality. After all, every male in our culture is encouraged to be a slut. Why should only men get to do it?
And that is before noting that if all men are supposed to be sluts, they are going to need a good supply of female sluts just to do so...
Now I do have a problem with prudes. Do what you want with your own life, but if you judge me or mine, realize I will fixate on you and try to figure out what deep dark kink is making you such a prude, then imagine you doing it and wank off to it. How is that for a threat???

Edit: Warning, the strategy for prudes does not work on Ann Coulter. Ugh, it was far worse punishment for me than it could have been for her... needless to say I didn't even get close to coming...



I am a slut.. and proud of it. I cannot claim the label of prostitute because I never charged to have sex.

Btw, here is my definition of a slut...



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DomKen -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 12:25:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Thank you for speaking so eloquently against social security...



That sounds like it needs to be a whole other thread, Softbonds.

Perhaps you'd care to offer something about Rush Limbaugh's freedom of speech, to steer back in on this one?

Has some legislative body tried to prevent Rush from speaking? If not, and I know it hasn't, then this has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

As a matter of fact what is happening is the free market at work. Advertisers have been hearing from unhappy customers about running ads that support Rush and most of decided to drop him rather than lose their customers. You, and the rest of the right wing, should be thrilled by this.




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