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Baroana -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 4:15:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoreBook So the Dom who demands it gets off scott free? The point was not about what they deserve. The point was about what we should do in order to avoid becoming victims.

NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 5:21:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AislynLass While everyone's meaning of what it means to be a Master and/or a Dominant varies according to the individual, the one common denominator seemed to be the aspect of the Master and Dominant being the one in control. Control carries with it responsibility, and I frankly do not understand how a person calling themselves a Master or a Dominant would wish that the person who gave up working in order to better please the Master or Dominant would feel justified in so neatly washing their hands of responsibility towards that person as soon as the relationship ended. This is considering a relationship where it did not end because the slave or submissive violated some basic tenet of trust or unethical or violent behavior towards the Master or Dominant. Here begs the question, did the Dominant require the sub/slave to stop working, or did the sub/slave choose it? That has some bearing on how responsible the Dominant is for the unemployed sub/slave, IMO. This is why I tell a sub to never give up their income for me because I can't afford to support anyone else besides myself. I say that right upfront. If I were a Master or Dominant, I do not see how I would feel okay that my slave or submissive who gave up or put on hold their career to please me and make themselves more available for my wishes, should then find themselves in a worse situation when the relationship ends that when it began. Again, this all comes down to choices. I do NOT want a sub of mine to leave his/her job for me, so I don't feel responsible for him/her if the relationship ends. Of course I feel if a Dominant required that, s/he should do all s/he could to help the sub/slave get back on his/her feet. For the sake of the discussion, I am focusing on the financial aspect. For lack of a better way of phrasing it, I would not wish to see them in a disadvantaged or less position as a result of the time they spent in the relationship with me. This I agree with, therefore I make the choices I do. NBMG

LoreBook -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 5:25:24 PM)
That might have been your point, but that wasn't the point made in the post I was replying to, nor does it relate to my question or have anything to do with the point I was making. Come to think of it, that doesn't answer what the OP asked asked either, the way I read it, "what they deserve" is exactly what she asked about.

Baroana -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 5:32:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoreBook That might have been your point, but that wasn't the point made in the post I was replying to I do believe you're wrong. If not, then hopefully Missokyst will correct me.

JeffBC -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 6:36:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl I apologize if this offends anyone, but IMO relying on someone else for 100% financial support for an extended period of time is extremely irresponsible. You're entitled to your opinion. Hey, it seems to be the week for this sort of thing on the boards. But hell yeah... sure... let's just all agree all single income marriages are extremely irresponsible. LOLOLOL Wait... are you a sock of LoreBook?

IrishMist -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 6:40:12 PM)
~General Reply~ sigh Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions. Mine just happens to differ greatly in this area. You enter a relationship; you assume responsibility for your part in that relationship. You are not responsible for the actions of the other half of the relationship. You are responsible for yours. In my eyes...it really is that simple. The OP is supposedly an adult who entered into an adult relationship with another person. If she/he CHOSE not to work while in that relationship...then when it ends, and they are left with nothing...it's their fault. A mature, responsible adult would not have allowed themselves to be put in that situation to begin with. And her use of 'he did not want me to work, so I did not" is a crock of shit. All that says to me is 'I am lazy, I did not want to support myself, so I let him do it". She got tossed...it's her responsibility to see to it that she has something to fall back on. In a perfect world, relationships would never end; people would never have to worry about the future in monetary terms; and everyone would live happy ever after. Unfortunatly, we do not live in a perfect world; and the people we meet, are not perfect either. They have faults...some worse than others, some better than others. The way to rise above all the bullshit is to be a mature, responsible adult who recognizes that things will not always work out the way we want them to.

searching4mysir -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 6:46:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Baroana [sm=shame.gif] Now here's where I declare shenanigans. With few exceptions, which would be irrelevant here, women take birth control pills because they are trying to prevent pregnancy. Ergo, your friend fucked up, not once, not twice, but three times. The fact that she welcomed the children is irrelevant. How is having sex with your spouse fucking up? Was it the ideal time to have children for them? No, which was why she trusted her doctor to prescribe the right pills. Did she regret getting pregnant? No. Those three boys are the light of her life. Not every pregnancy is a fuck up. Like I said, ALL forms of contraception have a failure rate. To ignore that is stupid.

Baroana -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 6:54:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir quote: ORIGINAL: Baroana [sm=shame.gif] Now here's where I declare shenanigans. With few exceptions, which would be irrelevant here, women take birth control pills because they are trying to prevent pregnancy. Ergo, your friend fucked up, not once, not twice, but three times. The fact that she welcomed the children is irrelevant. How is having sex with your spouse fucking up? Was it the ideal time to have children for them? No, which was why she trusted her doctor to prescribe the right pills. Did she regret getting pregnant? No. Those three boys are the light of her life. Not every pregnancy is a fuck up. Like I said, ALL forms of contraception have a failure rate. To ignore that is stupid. Ah, I see. It's the doctor's fault. See below: quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu Yep. When using the Pill correctly, there's only a 0.01% chance of getting pregnant each year. The chance of being that one-in-a-thousand woman three different years? Very, very small. (Also, if you really weren't trying to get pregnant, why would you continue just using the same form of the birth control after it'd already failed? If it failed on me, I'd go get an IUD stat, or try combining the Pill with another method.) Yep. She fucked up.

IrishMist -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 6:59:00 PM)
quote: Ah, I see. It's the doctor's fault snicker

JanahX -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 7:41:40 PM)
That's a very sad story. Next time you decide to be a slave for someone... Understand the word "slave" please. This means ...most likely working, and being away at work for 10 hours a day, and then coming home and slaving for your master. You have no life of your own. You literally need to be at service every waking hour to someone. Some people dig that shit ...they go into it thinking its all kinky sex and games... And then when reality bites... They end up on the streets.

OsideGirl -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 7:55:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist The OP is supposedly an adult who entered into an adult relationship with another person. If she/he CHOSE not to work while in that relationship...then when it ends, and they are left with nothing...it's their fault. A mature, responsible adult would not have allowed themselves to be put in that situation to begin with. I agree with this. It was a relationship. They broke up. Just like a vanilla relationship either side could have ended it. If the slave is staying home and not working, then these are things the "s" should have addressed BEFORE getting into the relationship.++ quote: ORIGINAL: swaybackgirl If I go the pound and pick a puppy, is it morally right to open the door and release it, don't I as an owner have an obligation to teach and train my puppy regardless? How is this even the same thing? You're comparing an adult human being who can take care of themselves to an animal that is in most cases reliant on human beings to survive.

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 8:58:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu Yep. When using the Pill correctly, there's only a 0.01% chance of getting pregnant each year. The chance of being that one-in-a-thousand woman three different years? Very, very small. (Also, if you really weren't trying to get pregnant, why would you continue just using the same form of the birth control after it'd already failed? If it failed on me, I'd go get an IUD stat, or try combining the Pill with another method.) Actually, most pills have an 93% effective rate when taken by women every day at the same time under 175 pounds, at 175 pounds or more it goes down to 87% Also there have been several major recalls in the last 10 years with birth control because of defects in manufacturing, along with other factors such as antibiotics and the like... To use the pill correctly you have to take it every single day, at the exact same time, and be under 175 pounds...and hope that the drug company didnt fuck up this month... and you never get sick... And seeing as thats an improbable.... I was conceived on birth control pills, a condom, a cervical cap and spermicide....

LunaM -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 9:06:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu Yep. When using the Pill correctly, there's only a 0.01% chance of getting pregnant each year. The chance of being that one-in-a-thousand woman three different years? Very, very small. (Also, if you really weren't trying to get pregnant, why would you continue just using the same form of the birth control after it'd already failed? If it failed on me, I'd go get an IUD stat, or try combining the Pill with another method.) Actually, most pills have an 93% effective rate when taken by women every day at the same time under 175 pounds, at 175 pounds or more it goes down to 87% Also there have been several major recalls in the last 10 years with birth control because of defects in manufacturing, along with other factors such as antibiotics and the like... To use the pill correctly you have to take it every single day, at the exact same time, and be under 175 pounds...and hope that the drug company didnt fuck up this month... and you never get sick... And seeing as thats an improbable.... I was conceived on birth control pills, a condom, a cervical cap and spermicide.... Also drinking alcohol I hear totally screws with birth control and can cause its effectiveness at preventing those spermies from reaching the egg null and void.

jennileigh8182 -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 9:21:44 PM)
My son was conceived while I was on NuvaRing, which is damned near impossible to fuck up. I used it properly, it didn't work. When I went in for my postpartum visit and they asked, "Would you like to go back on the method you were using previously?" I, in turn, asked them if they liked me that much, that they wanted to keep me as an OB patient. From there, I tried the shot....it prevented me losing the baby weight and I thought it was making me moody, but turned out it was just that my (now) ex-husband was an asshole. ;) After that, I went on Mirena, which I'm still on. Whether it's effective or not.....shrugs I had sex very few times after with my (now) ex-husband, and the relationship with the dominant is quite new, so he's either used a condom or pulled out. But, I have to feel pretty good about it....IUD PLUS hormonal contraception? It's got to work!

LunaM -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 9:32:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jennileigh8182 My son was conceived while I was on NuvaRing, which is damned near impossible to fuck up. I used it properly, it didn't work. When I went in for my postpartum visit and they asked, "Would you like to go back on the method you were using previously?" I, in turn, asked them if they liked me that much, that they wanted to keep me as an OB patient. From there, I tried the shot....it prevented me losing the baby weight and I thought it was making me moody, but turned out it was just that my (now) ex-husband was an asshole. ;) After that, I went on Mirena, which I'm still on. Whether it's effective or not.....shrugs I had sex very few times after with my (now) ex-husband, and the relationship with the dominant is quite new, so he's either used a condom or pulled out. But, I have to feel pretty good about it....IUD PLUS hormonal contraception? It's got to work! I have one of those! Ex-husbands are a pain in the ass lol

LoreBook -> RE: releasing a slave (3/3/2012 11:52:44 PM)
quote: If the slave is staying home and not working, then these are things the "s" should have addressed BEFORE getting into the relationship.++ Absolutely! And that is where the OP was irresponsible. Not for staying home and being financially dependant, but for not making sure that a plan was in place to get her back on her feet should the relationship not work out. The owner, on the other hand, was irresponsible in just about every way.

Thaelog -> RE: releasing a slave (3/4/2012 12:22:54 AM)
It makes me wonder if anyone on here has ever set up or facilitated an escrow-type situation for this sort of scenario. When I went to Job Corps many moons ago I was technically a federal employee getting paid $27 every two weeks. However at the end of training, we were given a lump sum of money based on accumulated time. It was to help students get an apartment, car, or whatever to get started when they graduated since they fed, housed, and clothed us completely while we were there. A lot of folks here have suggested it as an informal duty, which I agree is preferable. I'm not sure about including it in a slave contract. I don't know how many people would walk into a courtroom and put their kink down as public record. Seems like that creates an extortion scenario. I wonder how something like that could be crafted in advance with a private third party/arbitrator holding money in trust for a slave against dismissal? Seems like you would run the risk of falling afoul of prostitution laws or overlapping the arena of common law marriage. For that matter I wonder how applicable common law is in this sort of situation? Wow, thought I had something to say, but turns out I just have more questions.

LoreBook -> RE: releasing a slave (3/4/2012 12:41:55 AM)
I would make sure that the money was saved up before I took on a slave who wouldn't be working, I'm not talking about a huge amount, Maybe $1500 to $2000 a month for up to 6 months. When you first start, I would have the slave open a savings account and I'd deposit one month's worth into the account. I would add another month's allowance every 2 months, so at the end of the first year of service, the slave would have enough to carry them for 6 months. After that, I'd add some preset amount to the account at regular intervals (I'm thinking along the lines of $1000 quarterly). That way, the slave would always have something to fall back on, but the size of the nest egg would be dependant on the length of non-earning service.

MDomCouple -> RE: releasing a slave (3/4/2012 12:50:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoreBook I would make sure that the money was saved up before I took on a slave who wouldn't be working, I'm not talking about a huge amount, Maybe $1500 to $2000 a month for up to 6 months. When you first start, I would have the slave open a savings account and I'd deposit one month's worth into the account. I would add another month's allowance every 2 months, so at the end of the first year of service, the slave would have enough to carry them for 6 months. After that, I'd add some preset amount to the account at regular intervals (I'm thinking along the lines of $1000 quarterly). That way, the slave would always have something to fall back on, but the size of the nest egg would be dependant on the length of non-earning service. That's a great way to go about it. I've always gotten nervous about slaves who want to be kept at home, no job, fully dependent upon their Dom. After all, if something goes wrong, they are screwed. But, doing it this way makes a lot of sense. Good advice here.

BitaTruble -> RE: releasing a slave (3/4/2012 2:11:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MDomCouple quote: ORIGINAL: LoreBook I would make sure that the money was saved up before I took on a slave who wouldn't be working, I'm not talking about a huge amount, Maybe $1500 to $2000 a month for up to 6 months. When you first start, I would have the slave open a savings account and I'd deposit one month's worth into the account. I would add another month's allowance every 2 months, so at the end of the first year of service, the slave would have enough to carry them for 6 months. After that, I'd add some preset amount to the account at regular intervals (I'm thinking along the lines of $1000 quarterly). That way, the slave would always have something to fall back on, but the size of the nest egg would be dependant on the length of non-earning service. That's a great way to go about it. I've always gotten nervous about slaves who want to be kept at home, no job, fully dependent upon their Dom. After all, if something goes wrong, they are screwed. But, doing it this way makes a lot of sense. Good advice here. I would add to take great care with your credit rating. You'll may need that to get an apartment, a form of transportation and sometimes even a job. Without a recent job history a solid credit rating is even more important. If you don't know how to get and maintain good credit, there are loads of freebie services that can teach you the steps to building or rebuilding a credit history. Take advantage of those resources as soon as you can, preferably before you need them but certainly when you are at a loss as to what you should do as a first step. If you've had to pay tuition in the school of hard knocks, at least learn the lessons you've paid for and good luck to anyone going through that sort of situation.

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