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fucktoyprincess -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 6:34:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers I don't find it hard to believe at all. Wall street bankers have the most embedded sense of entitlement as anyone I've known in any profession or walk of life and they continue to operate that way now. Remember only wall street fraud...gets bailed out. Once he pulls a knife...all bets are off. Cabbie should get a couple hundred thou...from the greedy capitalist scum and is likely to settle out of court. If this were true, why do millionaires ever pay for anything, anywhere? I don't see a huge number of cabbies complaining that when they don't get paid, it is always by wealthy people. In fact, the few times I've had discussions with cabbies about who doesn't pay, it usually fits a particular profile - young, drunk people who have been partying in the city (and who are either too drunk to pay or have run out of money or something). I'm not getting the sense that millionaires are running around the city not paying cabbies on a regular basis. I think we would be hearing about it if they did. If anything, the livery services in particular, rely rather heavily on the financial industry for a lot of their fares - and the fares are usually paid for by a corporate account so no one loses any money in that situation. When Wall Street took a hit and the economy in the city went down, those of us who rely on work from that industry all suffered. I may dislike bankers, but myself, my friends in the arts, the dry cleaner down the block, my favorite restaurant in the neighborhood, the cabbies, etc. all rely on that industry for our own livelihood. When that money dried up, a lot of people I know, who were NOT in the financial industry lost jobs or their businesses because they lost customers. So the reality is, I may not like them as a group, but their money does keep many others afloat. And I have seen firsthand what happens when an entire industry gets hit and the widespread effect that it has. Yes there will be a restructuring of the economy and soon, some other industry will be on top (actually the Internet businesses have already supplanted the financial industry). The problem with the Internet industries is that they don't employ very many people. So you have a lot of wealth generation concentrated in the hands of a few people - and it's not enough to help out all the other industries that got affected when the financial industry took its hit. I'm not in the financial industry, but I and many of my friends have been affected by the industry shifts occurring. The banker is unlikely to go to jail for the crime. In fact, I would be surprised if the DA pursues anything (only because I think they have an evidentiary issue). But, the cabbie is definitely going to get money. There is no question about that. And maybe the banker will think twice about his behavior after that. One can always hope.

Moonhead -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 10:01:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess If this were true, why do millionaires ever pay for anything, anywhere? I don't see a huge number of cabbies complaining that when they don't get paid, it is always by wealthy people. In fact, the few times I've had discussions with cabbies about who doesn't pay, it usually fits a particular profile - young, drunk people who have been partying in the city (and who are either too drunk to pay or have run out of money or something). I'm not getting the sense that millionaires are running around the city not paying cabbies on a regular basis. I think we would be hearing about it if they did. If anything, the livery services in particular, rely rather heavily on the financial industry for a lot of their fares - and the fares are usually paid for by a corporate account so no one loses any money in that situation. It's more likely the ethnic thing, then? I can just see the twat whining in court: "I'd have paid a white cabbie, but some fucking sand n****r trying to extort money from in a cab he's probably stolen from a white working class American? Fuck that..."

Edwynn -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 10:45:03 AM)
I myself am entertained by the slippery slope petulance of "If this were true, why do millionaires pay for anything, anywhere?" All I can say is, wow.

Moonhead -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 10:49:38 AM)
It appears to be a fact of life that the more money you have, the more freebies you get. That one always puzzles me, to be honest...

fucktoyprincess -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 11:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess If this were true, why do millionaires ever pay for anything, anywhere? I don't see a huge number of cabbies complaining that when they don't get paid, it is always by wealthy people. In fact, the few times I've had discussions with cabbies about who doesn't pay, it usually fits a particular profile - young, drunk people who have been partying in the city (and who are either too drunk to pay or have run out of money or something). I'm not getting the sense that millionaires are running around the city not paying cabbies on a regular basis. I think we would be hearing about it if they did. If anything, the livery services in particular, rely rather heavily on the financial industry for a lot of their fares - and the fares are usually paid for by a corporate account so no one loses any money in that situation. It's more likely the ethnic thing, then? I can just see the twat whining in court: "I'd have paid a white cabbie, but some fucking sand n***r trying to extort money from in a cab he's probably stolen from a white working class American? Fuck that..." Who knows? I'm saying I don't know the facts. And all we have is what the two people involved are telling us - and I don't feel the need to trust one more* than the other per se. To base one's opinion on someone's veracity solely on whether they are a cabbie or a banker seems prejudiced to me. If someone told me they believed the banker because he is white, I would equally call foul. Why should I believe him because he's white? Or disbelieve him because he is rich? Or believe the cabbie because he is working class? Or disbelieve him because he is Muslim? What difference do any of these things truly make when trying to actually get to the truth of what happened (which, by the way, unless there was a witness, we are unlikely to ever truly know). My mother taught me that there is good and bad everywhere. The issue is sorting through the details. Please take a look at my last post on the prior page. Anytime we define an entire group as something (anything) we are succumbing to prejudiced thinking. I don't see how that serves the judicial process at all.

Moonhead -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 11:17:01 AM)
So you reckon the cabbie cut himself and planted a shiv on the banker to have a fraudulent case to take to court, then?

fucktoyprincess -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 11:17:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn I myself am entertained by the slippery slope petulance of "If this were true, why do millionaires pay for anything, anywhere?" All I can say is, wow. I really was speaking to whether they pay their cab fares or not - there is more to the paragraph than just what you quoted here. I'm just saying I don't seem to hear about thousands of reports of the wealthy walking out of cabs with a "I don't have to pay you" entitlement kind of attitude. I'm just suggesting that probably doesn't happen too often, actually or it would be in the news 24/7. That's really all I meant.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 11:22:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead So you reckon the cabbie cut himself and planted a shiv on the banker to have a fraudulent case to take to court, then? I'm saying I have no clue if the banker was hurling racial epithets at the cabbie or not. I'm saying I don't know if the cabbie's version of exactly how the physical altercation took place is right. I wasn't there. Were you? If you have information that I don't, then please share. How do we know they just didn't fight over the fare with no racial epithets hurled at all? How do we know who actually started the physical altercation? I am also going to copy from my prior post: quote: We are hearing one version of the story. I'm not saying the cabbie is necessarily lying, but I don't see why we have to believe his version of events as being the only possible thing that could have happened. I had a cab driver purposely slowly drive into me at an intersection when I was crossing the street as a pedestrian. (And I successfully pursued this guy in court). I have a friend who was physically attacked by a cab driver who got angry at her because she complained about the route he was taking. There is a livery driver who raped a female passenger who passed out in his back seat - and he was in fact charged with that crime. Not all cab/livery drivers are good people. That's all I'm saying.

slvemike4u -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 11:26:49 AM)
For myself,and I realize I don't have to stop here at this thread,but I can not for the life of me work up any interest in this stupid story. If the facts are as stated Mr I'm entitled will pay thru the court system,even the rich when they are called on their bullshit wind up paying. Too much else going on to give a shit about one drunk rich guy and one nicked up cabbie....he will wind up being paid,end of story.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 11:47:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u For myself,and I realize I don't have to stop here at this thread,but I can not for the life of me work up any interest in this stupid story. If the facts are as stated Mr I'm entitled will pay thru the court system,even the rich when they are called on their bullshit wind up paying. Too much else going on to give a shit about one drunk rich guy and one nicked up cabbie....he will wind up being paid,end of story. slvemike4u, yes, all along I've been saying that the cabbie will get money from the banker. Nowhere have I said that wouldn't be the case. I'm just bothered by the prejudiced comments. It isn't cool to say it's prejudice if certain groups are targeted, but targeting other groups is okay. I think drawing conclusions about anyone based on how much money they have or don't have is prejudiced. For example, an entertainer like Sting or George Clooney is really wealthy too. Does this make either of them automatically a bad person? And both of them are undoubtedly richer than the banker in this article. But some entertainers are not nice people. Yes, true. Anyway, yes, enough [&:]

Moonhead -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 11:52:44 AM)
No issue with that. It's just that trying to stiff somebody for a (pretty big) cab fair when you could buy out his taxi from petty cash, then getting violent when he takes issue with that is behaviour so vile that hopefully not even Christian "assault and Batmannery" Bale would stoop to it. There's certainly a lot of shits out there, and that's why it's understandable that people might feel a little pleased when one of them gets caught in the act, dig?

slvemike4u -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 11:57:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u For myself,and I realize I don't have to stop here at this thread,but I can not for the life of me work up any interest in this stupid story. If the facts are as stated Mr I'm entitled will pay thru the court system,even the rich when they are called on their bullshit wind up paying. Too much else going on to give a shit about one drunk rich guy and one nicked up cabbie....he will wind up being paid,end of story. slvemike4u, yes, all along I've been saying that the cabbie will get money from the banker. Nowhere have I said that wouldn't be the case. I'm just bothered by the prejudiced comments. It isn't cool to say it's prejudice if certain groups are targeted, but targeting other groups is okay. I think drawing conclusions about anyone based on how much money they have or don't have is prejudiced. For example, an entertainer like Sting or George Clooney is really wealthy too. Does this make either of them automatically a bad person? And both of them are undoubtedly richer than the banker in this article. But some entertainers are not nice people. Yes, true. Anyway, yes, enough [&:] FTP I never said anything that was pointed at any one person on this thread....I just don't think anything here is interesting. Hell the arguing contained within the thread is more compelling than the incident itself....lol

Marc2b -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 12:00:43 PM)
quote: It appears to be a fact of life that the more money you have, the more freebies you get. That one always puzzles me, to be honest... Because money equals power and influence... and people always want to be on the good side of power and influence.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 12:03:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead No issue with that. It's just that trying to stiff somebody for a (pretty big) cab fair when you could buy out his taxi from petty cash, then getting violent when he takes issue with that is behaviour so vile that hopefully not even Christian "assault and Batmannery" Bale would stoop to it. There's certainly a lot of shits out there, and that's why it's understandable that people might feel a little pleased when one of them gets caught in the act, dig? Trust me. I completely am on board with that. But I do have a friend who when she challenged the route a cabbie was taking, he pulled over, pulled her out of the cab, and hit her across the face. He then got back in his cab and sped off. Obviously she didn't pay her cabfare. She didn't have the medallion number of the cab, and although she went through 1000s of photographs, could not identify the guy - really how could she even get a good look at his face when she is sitting in the back seat? My point is that if she (she is 5'2" blonde/blue and tiny) had tried to defend herself, I know exactly what the cabbie would have claimed had he been caught. Oh she refused to pay the fare, oh she attacked me first, oh she hurled racial epithets at me (yes, the cabbie was not white). I mean the guy was a complete jerk. Since then the TLC has actually passed an ordinance to say that it is, in fact, the passenger's right to designate route. This was not always the case. But incidents like this caused the TLC to realize that the cabbie had to defer to the passenger if they wanted to take a particular route, provided that obviously, the passenger could not later argue about the fare. I'm just saying I've seen and heard it all. It takes all types. And all types can be rude. All types can be violent. So yes, let's stick it to the banker. But realize my friend's situation could easily have turned into exactly this. And yes, she is gainfully employed and probably better off financially than the cabbie (but by no means rich). But the cabbie was still in the wrong in her case. Some cabbies are, in fact, dangerous.

Moonhead -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 12:10:55 PM)
No question. There's been a few rapes by Pakistani cabbies in my neck of the woods. On the other hand, there was also a Pakistani cabbie kicked to death by chavs the other year...

Marc2b -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 12:41:07 PM)
quote: If this were true, why do millionaires ever pay for anything, anywhere? I don't see a huge number of cabbies complaining that when they don't get paid, it is always by wealthy people. In fact, the few times I've had discussions with cabbies about who doesn't pay, it usually fits a particular profile - young, drunk people who have been partying in the city (and who are either too drunk to pay or have run out of money or something). You can add one more Cabbie to that list. When I drove cab you were far more likely to be ripped off by those from the low end of the economic scale than the high end. And yes, it was usually a bunch a partying young drunks who thought it would be a hoot to run off... we usually managed to disabuse them of that notion (drunk people can't run very fast after all).

Moonhead -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 12:43:43 PM)
They don't need to run all that far if you've driven them home, besides...

slvemike4u -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 12:46:20 PM)
That's not how you do it Moon you have the unsuspecting driver drop you off a few doors from your house tell him you need to go insideto get the money. Than after you go thru the backyard/s you laugh your ass off while he's knocking on an unliked neighbors door. Thats what I have heard anyway [8\|]

Moonhead -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 12:56:10 PM)
Right. That'd work.

slvemike4u -> RE: "Class Warfare" gets bloody (3/7/2012 12:59:18 PM)
It always did.....again this is what I heard [8\|]

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