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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 7:09:35 AM   
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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 7:30:19 AM   
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It was not really a choice cause my ethics prohibit me to run with them. Unless I enter their realm with the intention of breakin the system from within. Where it will probably lead to in the end.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 9:07:46 AM   
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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 9:20:40 AM   
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There will always be differences and I celebrate most.
As long as the strong protect the weak instead of preying on them, we could have a pretty fair world.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 10:12:24 AM   
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which includes the supernatural

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What am I saying here? I am saying that God exists outside of the supernatural.

With respect to the post you're quoting here, there is no evidence of god, natural or supernatural, so by process of elimination we are stuck with "worldly authority", which can be roughly divided into categories of consensus and/or coercion.

You want to talk about the law, you have to agree to leave god out of it, cause you're just confusing the issue by adding an unquantifiable variable, about which nothing, including it's very existence can be demonstrated. Again, see radical empiricism.

Much effort and energy has been expended to prove the existence of god, and so far, to no avail, it remains a hypothetical variable with no way to control for it other than to simply proceed without it, confining ourselves to the quantifiable and empirically demonstrable variables we can control for.

With not even theoretical value, we can't consider it even if we wanted to, there's nothing to consider.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 11:54:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if all of this unsubstantiated "I run a Fortune 500 company and trickle down theory does too work" crap means that I can claim that there isn't any leftist media conspiracy because I've worked in the media and it always struck me as leaning the other way?

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 1:04:16 PM   
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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 9:42:55 PM   
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There has always been, and likely will always be, a certain disconnect between "normal crime" and "white-collar crime." Part of that image makes sense, in that white collar crime is typically "non-violent." Seldom does it result in physical injury, blood, or "visible damage." That "difference" is real. However, the other "difference" is, obviously, less real. A thief may break into your home and steal belongings, but white collar crime can have exactly the same effect, differing only in the way you discover your loss. In fact, crimes like those committed by the managers of Enron (as an example) are even more heinous, given that they completely destroyed many thousand families, leaving people without jobs, and often with worthless "savings" and retirement savings.


What GrandPoobah wrote above clearly indicates that the ruling elite don't believe in anything. They are faithless atheists. Why? It shows that they are obsessed with the sort of crime that faithless people obsess over. They know there is no possibility for salvation for themselves so this life is it. These people are living in a lesser paradise and the only thing that threatens their little paradise on earth is blue-collar crime. They aren't concerned with white-collar crime because it is what lines their pockets.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 10:04:39 PM   
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Christians,muslims and jews just defiled the legacy of God and Christ too much for me to embrace it.


God cannot be defiled. Only our connection with God can potentially be defiled.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 11:35:41 PM   
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Personally, the mere fact that they are systematically collecting people's wireless SSID and MAC addresses is worrisome let alone everything else. It is not ok if the government is doing it, but ok if a private corporation is. This is not some random act by a criminal or cops chasing bad people. In a sense, Google may be doing us a favor by bringing this vulnerability to our attention. If so, give the CEO a day in jail instead of a lengthy jail term. I am not aware that Google tried to warn us.

Its a grey area as far as I can see,.. so why would the ceo get jail time? the govt has not kept up with technology and protecting you.. There have been lots of articles, etc on wardriving, that is nothing new so why would you expect google to warn you on what is already public and common knowledge.. btw, privacy laws in the US are not that good or strong.. Your SSNs are basically public info, anyone with a couple of bucks can access that online.. I find it strange that you say it is not ok if the govt is doing it.. geeze, they are the worst for wanting all the info they can get on people.. they bloody well monitor all internet traffic, "private" emails, etc.. I believe they got microsoft to give them a backdoor entry into anyones computer if they want to.. You know it was first discovered by Germany, not the US govt..


the gov does not protect anyone. If you think they do try suing them for damages for it. You cant. The whole protection gig is bs, just like the cops even though it says it on their cars, if you look at their charter they have no obligation what so ever to protect you or your property

there you go hows that for hypocrisy?

If anything the government attacks you with all their whimsical rules, ask any city homeowner what an incredible pain in the ass they can be.

Your protection is in taking it to court, "the law", law from court cases that date back hundreds of years. That is where your protection comes from, not the gub.







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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/11/2012 11:40:10 PM   
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which includes the supernatural

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What am I saying here? I am saying that God exists outside of the supernatural.

With respect to the post you're quoting here, there is no evidence of god, natural or supernatural, so by process of elimination we are stuck with "worldly authority", which can be roughly divided into categories of consensus and/or coercion.

You want to talk about the law, you have to agree to leave god out of it, cause you're just confusing the issue by adding an unquantifiable variable, about which nothing, including it's very existence can be demonstrated. Again, see radical empiricism.

Much effort and energy has been expended to prove the existence of god, and so far, to no avail, it remains a hypothetical variable with no way to control for it other than to simply proceed without it, confining ourselves to the quantifiable and empirically demonstrable variables we can control for.

With not even theoretical value, we can't consider it even if we wanted to, there's nothing to consider.



since law dates back to the prehistoric beginnings I do not see how you can leave God out of it, since literally all law is founded and evolved through one God or another.

that and you need to remember there is a point where law quickly becomes abstract and in the same realm as most peoples issues with God.





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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 5:45:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		You must have faith in order to give permission to the forces of nature, e.g. natural selection, to act upon you. The present cast system in the United States and other countries such as the United Kingdom clearly show that no such faith exists. People, it is called self-deception. The capacity for human beings to deceive themselves is great. In my previous thread I pointed this out by providing some examples. I proved for example that an assault on hypocrisy is an assault on morals. This thread on the other hand is not an assault on hypocrisy. It is an assault on insufficient justification.

The rise of empiricism has provided an excuse for government not to seek any justification for their actions or lack thereof. They do whatever they feel like doing, in other words they are lawless. Results produced by empirical studies are consistently weak. They are weak by logical necessity. In theory, empiricism will answer all the larger questions for us one day. That day, however, has not come. This is easily verifiable. To deny this is to be a zealot. It falls in the realm of the obvious.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 6:07:31 AM   
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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 6:28:33 AM   
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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 6:39:04 AM   
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I wonder if all of this unsubstantiated "I run a Fortune 500 company and trickle down theory does too work" crap means that I can claim that there isn't any leftist media conspiracy because I've worked in the media and it always struck me as leaning the other way?

Do it in the name of god and you can claim any goddamn thing you want.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 7:25:34 AM   
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Do it in the name of god and you can claim any goddamn thing you want.


This is actually far from the truth. What you are complaining about are people who found a way to deceive themselves which is a point I already raised or outright lie. Both God fearing and Atheist alike share this capacity in common. This capacity has nothing to do with a belief in God per se.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 7:32:33 AM   
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Why are you lumping Marx and Neitzsche together? If you're going to complain about flawed logic, you should have another think about that one, I suspect.


Please be more specific. It is conceivable that I may have gotten something wrong as details are concerned, I'll concede that possibility, but in the broad strokes your claim seems dubious. Show me how what I am saying is not watertight.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 7:36:25 AM   
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A Karl Marx atheist paradise may or may not come to pass in a thousand or more years. Either way there is no rational justification for a Nietzsche Will to Power, Power Sprint.

Either you're making a false connection between Marx and Neitzsche, or this is a calculated non sequitur for the purposes of creating a false association. Which is it?

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 7:51:59 AM   
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Do it in the name of god and you can claim any goddamn thing you want.


This is actually far from the truth. What you are complaining about are people who found a way to deceive themselves which is a point I already raised or outright lie. Both God fearing and Atheist alike share this capacity in common. This capacity has nothing to do with a belief in God per se.

Unless there is a god and he tells us what's on his mind, there is no way to tell who is lying and who isn't - back to square one, you're dealing with a strictly hypothetical, undefined, and untestable variable.

Any and all definitions of "what god wants", "gods plan", "gods law", who is a "true believer" and who isn't etc., etc., and so on is completely arbitrary, there is no way of generating a testable hypothesis, it's the essence of moral relativism, the rule of force rather than the rule of law, and that is confirmed by history, over, and over, and over.

So if you want to talk about law, you have to confine it to the laws mankind makes for mankind.

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RE: Hypocrisy and the Law - 3/12/2012 8:56:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember Brennus... saying Vae Victis when he sacked Rome in 450 BC.
But there is another thing he said, wich all lawyers can attest to these days.
" Because you romans wrote down the law, there is always a way I can circumvent your law. Our law is unwritten, you cannot outrun our law.''

Just a technicality.
Everybody in Holland is supposed to know the law. But that is impossible. Laws should be simplified and left up to the judge to judge.
Any courtcase that misfired on a technicality is an abomination, for lack of a better word.

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