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ORIGINAL: MrBukani
Laws should be simplified and left up to the judge to judge.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Atheism appears to come in two varieties. Those who can cope with moral contradiction and those who cannot.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: GrandPoobah
To compare these two, look at the the treatment of Bernie Madoff and some average, run-of-the-mill murderer. Bernie got "life" but lives in one of those minimum security country-club prisons, while the other guy lives in a hole. Bernie destroyed the lives of hundreds of folks, effectively "killing them" even if they're still alive. The other guy killed just one person.

I find it very odd that people go all beserk about Madoff when at the same time they hate the 1% so dam much but its the 1% that Madoff ripped off.. It was people's own greed that did them in.. and it seems that he has hero status in jail.. lol

"In prison he doesn’t have to hide his lack of conscience. In fact, he’s a hero for it."
"From MCC, Madoff explained the trap he was in. “People just kept throwing money at me,” Madoff related to a prison consultant who advised him on how to endure prison life. “Some guy wanted to invest, and if I said no, the guy said, ‘What, I’m not good enough?’ ” One day, Shannon Hay, a drug dealer who lived in the same unit in Butner as Madoff, asked about his crimes. “He told me his side. He took money off of people who were rich and greedy and wanted more,” "
"Quickly, the flow came to Madoff. From the moment he alighted, he had “groupies,” according to several inmates. Prisoners trailed him as he took his exercise around the track. (Persico had also attracted a throng when he arrived, but was disgusted and quickly put an end to it.) “They buttered him up,” one former inmate told me. “Everybody was trying to kiss his ass,” says Shawn Evans, who spent 28 months in Butner. They even clamored for his autograph. "
http://nymag.com/news/crimelaw/66468/

http://washingtonindependent.com/22504/the-sob-stories-of-madoffs-wealthy-victims

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

You have not studied these concepts. You have no idea what you are talking about. What you wrote is drivel. Rule of force? Since when has it been otherwise. I am talking about its justification.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I remember Brennus... saying Vae Victis when he sacked Rome in 450 BC.
But there is another thing he said, wich all lawyers can attest to these days.
" Because you romans wrote down the law, there is always a way I can circumvent your law. Our law is unwritten, you cannot outrun our law.''

Just a technicality.
Everybody in Holland is supposed to know the law. But that is impossible. Laws should be simplified and left up to the judge to judge.
Any courtcase that misfired on a technicality is an abomination, for lack of a better word.

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ORIGINAL: xssve

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I remember Brennus... saying Vae Victis when he sacked Rome in 450 BC.
But there is another thing he said, wich all lawyers can attest to these days.
" Because you romans wrote down the law, there is always a way I can circumvent your law. Our law is unwritten, you cannot outrun our law.''

Just a technicality.
Everybody in Holland is supposed to know the law. But that is impossible. Laws should be simplified and left up to the judge to judge.
Any courtcase that misfired on a technicality is an abomination, for lack of a better word.

Our laws are based on the concept that any law that treats the innocent as if they were guilty is an abomination, the price of that is the requirement for due diligence in the prosecution of the law, which in turn generates those "technicalities" when those requirements are not observed.

And unwritten law is nothing but loopholes, goes back to the conundrum of moral ambiguity as the price of consciousness.

I hear the usual, you don't want to think no more, and a noetic species trying to act anoetically rapidly becomes De Sades war of all against all - pretty much where we've gotten ourselves now, again, and you both should know that in any contest between god and Mammon, Mammon always has the advantage. So in the end, it usually amounts to about the same thing, that's an established historical pattern.

Mammon, you see, has a certain substance that god lacks - god looks good from a distance, Mammon looks a lot better up close.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I remember Brennus... saying Vae Victis when he sacked Rome in 450 BC.
But there is another thing he said, wich all lawyers can attest to these days.
" Because you romans wrote down the law, there is always a way I can circumvent your law. Our law is unwritten, you cannot outrun our law.''

Just a technicality.
Everybody in Holland is supposed to know the law. But that is impossible. Laws should be simplified and left up to the judge to judge.
Any courtcase that misfired on a technicality is an abomination, for lack of a better word.

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ORIGINAL: xssve

Police and criminals are doing exactly the same things: kicking in doors and beating peoples heads in, taking their shit - the only difference is that the police are theoretically charged with doing it in manner consistent with a consensus of what is and is not just.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: xssve

Police and criminals are doing exactly the same things: kicking in doors and beating peoples heads in, taking their shit - the only difference is that the police are theoretically charged with doing it in manner consistent with a consensus of what is and is not just.

in some states they can keep 80+ percent of the sale from goods confiscated.

they are sanctioned thugs, no different from a standing army.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: GrandPoobah
To compare these two, look at the the treatment of Bernie Madoff and some average, run-of-the-mill murderer. Bernie got "life" but lives in one of those minimum security country-club prisons, while the other guy lives in a hole. Bernie destroyed the lives of hundreds of folks, effectively "killing them" even if they're still alive. The other guy killed just one person.

I find it very odd that people go all beserk about Madoff when at the same time they hate the 1% so dam much but its the 1% that Madoff ripped off.. It was people's own greed that did them in.. and it seems that he has hero status in jail.. lol

"In prison he doesn’t have to hide his lack of conscience. In fact, he’s a hero for it."
"From MCC, Madoff explained the trap he was in. “People just kept throwing money at me,” Madoff related to a prison consultant who advised him on how to endure prison life. “Some guy wanted to invest, and if I said no, the guy said, ‘What, I’m not good enough?’ ” One day, Shannon Hay, a drug dealer who lived in the same unit in Butner as Madoff, asked about his crimes. “He told me his side. He took money off of people who were rich and greedy and wanted more,” "
"Quickly, the flow came to Madoff. From the moment he alighted, he had “groupies,” according to several inmates. Prisoners trailed him as he took his exercise around the track. (Persico had also attracted a throng when he arrived, but was disgusted and quickly put an end to it.) “They buttered him up,” one former inmate told me. “Everybody was trying to kiss his ass,” says Shawn Evans, who spent 28 months in Butner. They even clamored for his autograph. "
http://nymag.com/news/crimelaw/66468/

http://washingtonindependent.com/22504/the-sob-stories-of-madoffs-wealthy-victims

The hypocrisy is that the only difference between Madoff and wall street where fraud seems a culture, is that wall street got a bailout. Corporate crime is a civil crime or financial crime and almost never results in any criminal charges.

As for criminal corporate crime...there is almost none. The corporation being a legal abstract, is designed for private profit without private liability.