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The simple fact is the GOP is lying about the need to protect the process from voter fraud. There has been next to no vote fraud for decades. They're just trying to disenfranchise demographic groups that are prone to not being Republican voters since they can see that the nations demographics are swinging against them in a decisive way.

Except for Florida in 2000, and 2004 right?

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To the person who claimed that utility bills were the same as photo IDs, do you throw your ID in the garbage every month when the new one comes in? Does your utility company verify your legal right to vote? I had a utility bill before I was eighteen, so i'm pretty sure they don't all do that.

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As an aside, I notice how the costs are viewed boo-hoo negatively. The ID itself may cost between $10 and $30

Maybe if you were better informed you'd understand that charging people any amount to be able to vote is unconstitutional and deeply unamerican.
See:
24th Amendment
Harper v Virginia Board of Elections

...u see....I feel that the GOP ideal is to charge FEES for everything, even the freedom to vote. the more fees are charged the less able the poor is able to oppose the GOP and the wealthy from running them over. And essentally using a back-door way of charging the poor to vote and then making even that process difficult is a telling clue that the GOP has even more plans that are detremential to the working class & poor if they can just squeak into the oval office...starting with repealing the minimum wage laws so that wages that are allready unsustainable are even more so.
If u have to choose between eating, rent, medical bills & cant pay for the ID, then u cant vote, -- less poor voting they think they'll win....
now THAT IS class warfare....hitler style

Lemme guess...The Frank-Dodd Finance Reform Bill signed by President Obama in the wake of the meltdown (which has already been analyzed to not address the underlying issues and would not have prevented the meltdown) that reduces the amounts of fees banks can charge isn't at the root of the death of "free" checking and by charging either a fee for checking or the requirement to maintain thousands of dollars in the account, the banks aren't discriminating against the poor, right? That's on the bank, not the Democrats.

Yeah, Republicans are trying to charge fees for everything. At the very least be honest and admit both parties are charging fees for everything.

In all honesty, this is something that should have been done since they came up with the idea of State ID cards. Imagine how much wouldn't be a problem now. There should be some sort of "field trip" that school seniors take to sign them up to vote, to get them State ID's (unless they already have a Driver's License) as part of a Civics/Government/Politics class.

They say the best time to plant an oak tree is 20 years ago. The next best time is now. Had we instituted this policy ages ago, it would be nothing right now. All the issues would have been worked out and we'd have more assurance that a citizen's right to vote isn't being infringed.

Is the next argument going to be that requiring a citizen to actually go to a polling place to vote is "unConstitutional" because it places a cost on your ability to get there because it costs money to either be a driver, or to hire a driver?

Do we start charging absolutely zero for food, water, housing and medical care because maintaining your health so you can vote costs too much?

Damn.

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Legal voters were illegally purged in 2000 but I'm unaware of any claims of vote fraud occuringin Florida in 2000 or 2004.

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As an aside, I notice how the costs are viewed boo-hoo negatively. The ID itself may cost between $10 and $30

Maybe if you were better informed you'd understand that charging people any amount to be able to vote is unconstitutional and deeply unamerican.
See:
24th Amendment
Harper v Virginia Board of Elections

...u see....I feel that the GOP ideal is to charge FEES for everything, even the freedom to vote. the more fees are charged the less able the poor is able to oppose the GOP and the wealthy from running them over. And essentally using a back-door way of charging the poor to vote and then making even that process difficult is a telling clue that the GOP has even more plans that are detremential to the working class & poor if they can just squeak into the oval office...starting with repealing the minimum wage laws so that wages that are allready unsustainable are even more so.
If u have to choose between eating, rent, medical bills & cant pay for the ID, then u cant vote, -- less poor voting they think they'll win....
now THAT IS class warfare....hitler style

Lemme guess...The Frank-Dodd Finance Reform Bill signed by President Obama in the wake of the meltdown (which has already been analyzed to not address the underlying issues and would not have prevented the meltdown) that reduces the amounts of fees banks can charge isn't at the root of the death of "free" checking and by charging either a fee for checking or the requirement to maintain thousands of dollars in the account, the banks aren't discriminating against the poor, right? That's on the bank, not the Democrats.
Yeah, Republicans are trying to charge fees for everything. At the very least be honest and admit both parties are charging fees for everything.
In all honesty, this is something that should have been done since they came up with the idea of State ID cards. Imagine how much wouldn't be a problem now. There should be some sort of "field trip" that school seniors take to sign them up to vote, to get them State ID's (unless they already have a Driver's License) as part of a Civics/Government/Politics class.
They say the best time to plant an oak tree is 20 years ago. The next best time is now. Had we instituted this policy ages ago, it would be nothing right now. All the issues would have been worked out and we'd have more assurance that a citizen's right to vote isn't being infringed.
Is the next argument going to be that requiring a citizen to actually go to a polling place to vote is "unConstitutional" because it places a cost on your ability to get there because it costs money to either be a driver, or to hire a driver?
Do we start charging absolutely zero for food, water, housing and medical care because maintaining your health so you can vote costs too much?
Damn.

if that's what it would take to not lose My right as a free Man AGAIN ….
(in case u didn't know I'm Black, and at one point in this countries dark history I would not of been allowed to vote solely because of My skin color. )
... to vote on who runs My country and it has to be THAT FUCKING STUPID that everything else has to be free just so I can (unconstitutionally) PAY to vote? ....ur FUCKING DAMN RIGHT IT SHOULD BE….and it sure the fuck better Be.
Because My right to vote should never be usurped by some asshole AGAIN whose politics doesn't make enough sense to enough people that actually want the stupid policy in the first place….because last I looked this is America,... not someplace else.

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I cant wait untill ur confined to a wheelchair and find out that ur only way to a polling place is somebody having to DRIVE u there to vote because somebody made a bonehead rule u cant vote unless ur physically there, and see how much u bitch about that then.
How many old or disabled Americans (including Vets) rights are u willing to trample just to win an election? Oh wait, if ur the GOP, the answer seems to be anybody's.
...Damn.

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I would have absolutely no problem with there being the option for a free State ID. I would even support the current State ID being the free ID.

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Why do you think that in every state they lecture people practically to death with "A Driver's license is a privilege, not a right"? It's not so they can take the privilege away when they deem necessary without certain formalities... and to protect a revenue stream.



And because driving is a privilege and not a right. Don't forget there is no right to drive.

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Such will NOT stand with state IDs ... And BTW That is ridiculously low for a state ID.



http://bmv.ohio.gov/fees_for_services.stm

Left hand column. I have no reason to lie about the price.

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if that's what it would take to not lose My right as a free Man AGAIN ….

(in case u didn't know I'm Black, and at one point in this countries dark history I would not of been allowed to vote solely because of My skin color. )

... to vote on who runs My country and it has to be THAT FUCKING STUPID that everything else has to be free just so I can (unconstitutionally) PAY to vote? ....ur FUCKING DAMN RIGHT IT SHOULD BE….and it sure the fuck better Be.

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Such will NOT stand with state IDs ... And BTW That is ridiculously low for a state ID.
http://bmv.ohio.gov/fees_for_services.stm
Left hand column. I have no reason to lie about the price.

Did I SAY I didn't believe your statement about the fee? NO What I said was if there is ANY fee standing between you and a civil right, it won't stand.

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And, as far as any fee between a person and a civil right goes, are you going to push for pollsters coming to your house to collect your vote? I mean, gas costs. If I have to drive to get to my polling place, am I not forced to pay a fee of some sort?

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having a photo ID is a neccesity in many areas of life

Some have photo IDs - student and VA (government issued) - but states like Texas and Ohio are not accepting them.

Portage County veteran, 86, doesn't vote after VA identification card rejected at polls

AURORA, Ohio – A Portage County World War II veteran was turned away from a polling place this morning because his driver’s license had expired in January and his new Veterans Affairs ID did not include his home address.

“My beef is that I had to pay a driver to take me up there because I don’t walk so well and have to use this cane and now I can’t even vote,” said Paul Carroll, 86, who has lived in Aurora nearly 40 years, running his own business, Carroll Tire, until 1975.

“I had to stop driving, but I got the photo ID from the Veterans Affairs instead, just a month or so ago. You would think that would count for something. I went to war for this country, but now I can’t vote in this country.”

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Is cards in my state are 36.50 same as a drivers license.. and expires.. my drivers license lists me in another county.. because I moved since I got it....

Sorry... Nearly 40 bucks is a lot of money in my world....its gas and heat for a month.. or food.. or a textbook...

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Voter ID Accessibility Act of 2012

No one should have to pay to vote. I would urge everyone to please sign the petition to make ID cards FREE so that no one is disenfranchised due to an inability to pay.

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My earlier comment on the cost was to point out Ohio's is a bargain compared to what other states charge.

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And, as far as any fee between a person and a civil right goes, are you going to push for pollsters coming to your house to collect your vote? I mean, gas costs. If I have to drive to get to my polling place, am I not forced to pay a fee of some sort?

No you're not
You can walk. Nobody says you have to have room service or get compensated for your effort. It's ab idiotic comparison.
I walk EVERY TIME I VOTE. I include my kids. So do other parents. iI's a whole civic/community thing up here.
Comparing the gas and wear and tear you put on your vehicle because you have that luxury at your disposal with a 'license' being a required document in order to vote ain't even covered by the "apples and oranges" adage.
Oh, and if you pay attention to the issue on the national scale, you would have noted that Texas has already stated that I am right about this matter.
Walk to the polls.... it's good for ya.

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Lemme guess..you walk miles through sleet, rain, hail, snowdrifts umpteen feet high and uphill both ways, right?