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jlf1961 -> Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 4:25:23 PM)

Funny thing that these doomsday fanatics seem to ignore about the Mayan Calendar. The most important part of what they have ignored is the simple fact IT DOES NOT END.

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The Mayas didn’t believe the world would end on 2012. In fact, cities like Palenque have carvings with celebratory dates like 1.0.0.0.0.8, which is over 4000 years after 2012.

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There are other interesting facts the article addresses, including statements from modern Mayans who still follow the old traditions.

I have been watching a show on NGC called "Doomsday Preppers" and have heard all kinds of stuff they are preparing for, ranging from over population of the world to EMP from either nuclear war or a solar flare, not to mention the government declaring martial law and evicting people from their homes and denying them food and water.


Doomsday Preppers seem to have turned the whole thing into a psuedo religion, trying to convert friends and neighbors with their rampant paranoia.



MrBukani -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 5:58:56 PM)

Fear is the best mindcontrol.



jlf1961 -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 6:56:41 PM)

The problem seems to be that these individuals are not doing any research for themselves. The show to which I referred gives the odds of each particular reason the people give for prepping. The only reason that has a remote chance of happening is a massive flu pandemic, which can be dealt with just by immunizations.

For example, with the early warning satellites that NASA has monitoring solar activity, should a unusually large Electromagnetic flare begin on the sun, the satellites would flash a warning to NASA who then flashes a warning WORLD wide to give enough warning to lower the amount of electricity on the world wide grid so that an overload of the system does not happen.

The odds of a Yellowstone Super Eruption occurring in our lifetime is slim, however vulcanologist agree that it is likely to happen in the next 50,000 years.

The constitution prohibits the government from evicting people from their homes or denying food and water during martial law, in point of fact, nationwide martial law was declared once, during the civil war.



Winterapple -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 7:25:53 PM)

Fear of doomsday is as old as mankind.
Primitive man was afraid every time the
sun came up it was going to eat him.
All times have apocalyptic times. This Mayan
thing is just the new incarnation when it
passes another will take it's place.
Mayan prophecies or modern day
interpretations of them by the clueless,
Bigfoot, birthers it's all the same irrational
mentality.
The Mayans were cool a civilization, pity
so much of the attention on them is about
nonsense instead of the achievements
and beauty of their civilization.
Are aliens included in any of this silliness.
Their used cheerfully by the ignorant to
degrade the Mayans. Other civilizations as
well but any achievements the New World
made before they were "discovered" are
regularly thrown under the bus.



Winterapple -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 7:27:18 PM)

They're used cheerfully, I meant to say.
I know some are sensitive to the their/ they're
thing.



TheHeretic -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 7:49:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Winterapple
The Mayans were cool a civilization, pity
so much of the attention on them is about
nonsense instead of the achievements
and beauty of their civilization.



Didn't that civilization include routine human sacrifice?

To the topic directly; 30 years ago, the same kind of people were building survivalist camps in the woods. 30 years before that, bomb shelters in the basement. There is always some looming catastrophe for people so inclined to latch onto.

Personally, I try to keep some supplies on hand in the event of a major earthquake. I suppose they'd come in handy after a comet strike, too.



SternSkipper -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 8:01:27 PM)

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Doomsday Preppers seem to have turned the whole thing into a psuedo religion, trying to convert friends and neighbors with their rampant paranoia.


I think everybody should have a hobby.
I'm just looking forward to all the big sales on 'survival foods that there will be by mid-2013!
What can I say, I love to camp and they're a lot lighter than trekking in conventional groceries.[8D]



SternSkipper -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 8:04:12 PM)

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The Mayans were cool a civilization, pity
so much of the attention on them is about
nonsense instead of the achievements
and beauty of their civilization.


-Yeah, they were cool as long as you weren't the person putting their heart in the collection plate on Sunday.
[:D]



altoonamaster -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 8:08:10 PM)

funny how such a culture can predict the end of the world and are long gone



Winterapple -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 8:39:00 PM)

FR
Well, yeah granted they had the human
sacrifice thing but no civilization is perfect.[;)]
And it's not like they were a isolated case
in the history of humankind for that sort
of thing. Pretty much everyone did it
at some point in their history.
And after the Mayans were discovered
didn't a great many of them get sacrificed
to the great god Mammon in the guise
of the Conquistodors?
The Mayans and Incans had a interesting
civilization and culture. Their mythology,
their achievements, their architecture all
deserve study and shout outs.
But, yes of course human sacrifice is very
bad. Slaughter of people you view as
primitive, less than you and in the way because they stand
between you and their gold and other
booty is also very bad.
The civilized can behave very primatively
sometimes.



SternSkipper -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 8:49:46 PM)

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funny how such a culture can predict the end of the world and are long gone


Yeah ... talk about WOOPS[:D]



SternSkipper -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 8:53:28 PM)

quote:

And it's not like they were a isolated case
in the history of humankind for that sort
of thing. Pretty much everyone did it
at some point in their history.


I'm just saying ...Hey, it was probably awesome for anybody with a horseshoe up their ass. It;s like playing spin the bottle with a group of really hot girls but knowing one of em has HepC.



pyroaquatic -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 9:00:17 PM)

I have been preparing for the advent of the Zombie Apocalypse... and I am quite serious. :D

When consumer zombies turn biological I will not be here.

Learn Paleotechnics and don't rely too much on things that mankind has supplied before the year 0 AD as those things will most likely be gone within a year to two years. Then people will be fighting over bloated cans sure to give you food poisoning.

In any instance people preparing for "The End of Times" is a hedge bet. Gathering resources en masse is a common thing but if you do it right the scenarios presented will not matter.

And given the right catastrophe it will not matter. Enjoy the life you have.



Edwynn -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 9:07:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Winterapple
FR
Well, yeah granted they had the human
sacrifice thing but no civilization is perfect.[;)]
And it's not like they were a isolated case
in the history of humankind for that sort
of thing. Pretty much everyone did it
at some point in their history.



Terminology. It was referred to as execution when Henry VIII and other monarchs did it, but cutting the heart out of a living human was most certainly practiced. At least as practice of ritual, that was all there was to it. In the executions spoken of, the person was hanged, cut down before death, on some occasions had the penis cut off and stuffed in his mouth, gutted and had the intestines grasped at one end and pulled out in front of his eyes, then the heart cut out and held up to his face. And yes, some would actually remain alive and conscious up until a few seconds after their heart removal. Then they were drawn and quartered. Also, the head of the more famous of the executed were displayed on a pole in some public place.

I'm sorry for presenting such morbid and heinous practices, but that's history. It's true that having human sacrifice as religious ritual makes it worse in some ways because of the innocence of the victims, but being burned at the stake for professing the wrong religion or refusal to profess the state religion is hardly any better.





mnottertail -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/11/2012 9:07:42 PM)

And to think I was gonna cakk myself over this shit before the actual end, but there was a two week deal back in the fiften hundreds with the gregorian julian shit....

I dunno. 



DesideriScuri -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/12/2012 2:50:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
The constitution prohibits the government from evicting people from their homes or denying food and water during martial law, in point of fact, nationwide martial law was declared once, during the civil war.


Tell the Japanese Americans interned after Pearl Harbor that government is prohibited from evicting people.

If only government were to be bound by the constitution...



Moonhead -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/12/2012 3:01:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The problem seems to be that these individuals are not doing any research for themselves.

Isn't that a given when you're talking about doomsday cultists?



vincentML -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/12/2012 5:10:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

quote:

ORIGINAL: Winterapple
FR
Well, yeah granted they had the human
sacrifice thing but no civilization is perfect.[;)]
And it's not like they were a isolated case
in the history of humankind for that sort
of thing. Pretty much everyone did it
at some point in their history.



Terminology. It was referred to as execution when Henry VIII and other monarchs did it, but cutting the heart out of a living human was most certainly practiced. At least as practice of ritual, that was all there was to it. In the executions spoken of, the person was hanged, cut down before death, on some occasions had the penis cut off and stuffed in his mouth, gutted and had the intestines grasped at one end and pulled out in front of his eyes, then the heart cut out and held up to his face. And yes, some would actually remain alive and conscious up until a few seconds after their heart removal. Then they were drawn and quartered. Also, the head of the more famous of the executed were displayed on a pole in some public place.

I'm sorry for presenting such morbid and heinous practices, but that's history. It's true that having human sacrifice as religious ritual makes it worse in some ways because of the innocence of the victims, but being burned at the stake for professing the wrong religion or refusal to profess the state religion is hardly any better.





Isn't all that taking hazing a bit too far? [8|]



kalikshama -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/12/2012 8:07:34 AM)

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Hippiekinkster -> RE: Doomsday Fanatics and the Mayan Religious Calender and 2012 (3/12/2012 10:36:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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I'm sure you can find the error in that person's logic, yes?

Anyway,
"December 23, 2012 will be 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ahau 3 Kankin, the day when the 13 baktuns will end and the Long Count returns to the symmetry of the beginning. The Mayans, however, did not conceive this to be the end of creation, as many have suggested. Pacal, the great king of Palenque, predicted in his inscriptions that the 80th Calandar Ri=ound of his accession would be celebrated eight days after the first eight-thousand year cycle in the Mayan calandar ends."
From "A Forest of Kings: The Untold Story of the Mayans", Linda Schele and David Friedel: William Morrow and Co., NY, 1990, pg.82. Note that these people are REAL anthropologists, the ones who helped crack the code of the Mayan language and calandar.



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