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BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 4:25:18 AM)

In other words, empiricism cannot be used to resolve moral problems.



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 4:28:23 AM)

What I wrote concern nature religions is correct. They are stagnant. Paganism is not precisely the same thing as nature religion.



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 4:32:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

In other words, empiricism cannot be used to resolve moral problems.


You actually have to use reason to resolve moral problems.



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 4:44:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

In other words, empiricism cannot be used to resolve moral problems.


I concede that I may have employed some exaggeration here.



MrBukani -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 5:01:18 AM)

Paganism is often considered a nature religion by historians.
You will have to be more specific.
Otherwise its too easy to dance around our statements.
And I am giving you my best. I expect the same in return.
Im not here to go on at it endlessly, my time is limited, so is yours.
And you can keep using latin(words) but to me those kinda of discussions, lead more to ''elude''/stray from the point then to pinpoint.
Most people never learned latin nor greek. We will have to explain it to the masses in the end.
Not the Elite.



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 5:03:41 AM)

What xssve wrote in post 78 makes for some interesting background, but I fail to see how it is relevant to the discussion. The argument xssve is making strikes me as dislike as opposed to actual argument. Different religious concepts may have certain properties which may or may not be entirely agreeable, but what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Must life be perfectly agreeable to you xssve? It would be nice if life were perfectly agreeable. It does not speak to legitimacy or illegitimacy. What you have told me xssve is if it is not utopian, it is not legitimate.



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 5:06:40 AM)

You do realize that paganism is an exceedingly broad term? It encompasses a lot including nature religions.



MrBukani -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 5:19:36 AM)

Thats why if you make an argument that nature religions dont progress you HAVE to give an example.
Otherwise you can keep beating around the bush.
And the only bush I like to beat is my bitches. Capishe?[:D]



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 5:20:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

You will have to be more specific.


I'll give you a hint. The ancient Egyptian religion was not a pure nature religion though it was pagan except for a stint with a certain King who made it into what some believe may have been the first monotheist religion. It had strong monotheist leanings. That is why it was for a time able to make the transition to monotheism. Some believe that Christianity indirectly borrowed a great deal from the ancient Egyptian faith.

What do you think made the ancient Egyptians as progressive as they were?



MrBukani -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 5:26:37 AM)

Acknaton you mean yes.
What made them progressive.
RESOURCES.
They had the money and the power to build opulent pyramids.
They had people who could dedicate themselves solely to science, because of wealth.
And the nearby cultures like the babylonians and sumerians they could easily lend from.
You can name many reasons.
Thats obvious.
Its harder for the other way round to name a religion solely based on nature. I dont even think it exists.
Except maybe me.[:D]

And goddamnit these 2 posts just corrupted me and gave me a fuckin lame ass paddle I have to carry round for a thousand posts.



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 6:39:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

What made them progressive.
RESOURCES.


If all you have is nature as your example you are not going to go very far. The mere existence of resources is insufficient. Resources help if you have other things going for you. These so-called lessons we take from nature these days are the result of work that was carried out by a man named Darwin. Darwin was not a man living close to the land. He traveled the world in a ship. This is not living close to the land. These are not lessons that are taught to us by nature. These were lessons that were derived from the exercise of reason. His sort of capacity to reason does not come naturally. It has no precedent in nature.



GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 6:47:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
God as Divine Physician solves this problem. The bitterness shall be removed and only the sweetness shall remain. The promise is we will be cured of our disease which is sin.


lobotomy for Jesus.....check.



MrBukani -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 6:50:11 AM)

Is reason not a result from observation?
There are many scientific examples of this.
Like waterdisplacement.
The man took a bath saw the level rise.
And reasoned a way to measure the weight of a gold crown.

Yeah I watched the BigBangTheory last night, I love that show. Eureka![:D]



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 6:52:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

What made them progressive.
RESOURCES.


This is the same sort of nonsense that resulted in the Global Financial Crisis. All you needed to do is give everyone a loan because it is just a matter of resources.



MrBukani -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 6:58:58 AM)

Money these days is a resource thats not backed up with material.
And yes, it was illegal to buy in Holland on loan pay off systems.
We changed it and we are fucked by it.
Just because the big companies wanted to become richer.
Capitalism is suicide.
Even for the rich, cause like I said before in another thread. When you keep stealing from the poor they will rise up destroy all records and steal from the rich in return.



xssve -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 7:07:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

What I wrote concern nature religions is correct. They are stagnant. Paganism is not precisely the same thing as nature religion.

You are correct sir: Christianity is an anti-nature religion, it's death worship, an infertility cult.



xssve -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 7:08:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

quote:

ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

In other words, empiricism cannot be used to resolve moral problems.


You actually have to use reason to resolve moral problems.

I ain't laughin', I'm cryin'.



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 7:09:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

Is reason not a result from observation?


If you had any real exposure to the philosophy of science you would understand how bogus this remark you made is. The scientific method is not mere observation. It is painstaking, disciplined, and sophisticated observations. Experiments are crafted, findings debated. You are claiming you can climb out of a tent in the morning and write the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin. That is absurd. You have grossly over simplified how things work.



MrBukani -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 7:21:55 AM)

The thing is, I like simple.
What was once complex we simplified.
What was once magic, is now a keyboard you are typing out on.
Simple is harder to debunk then complex.
Look at what you just wrote.

It is painstaking, disciplined, and sophisticated observations.

Once you figured it out it becomes easy, simple.
Logic is simple deduction of complex matter, that cannot be debunked.



BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/16/2012 7:23:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
God as Divine Physician solves this problem. The bitterness shall be removed and only the sweetness shall remain. The promise is we will be cured of our disease which is sin.


lobotomy for Jesus.....check.


Though what you wrote seems like an insult, but it may be in a kind a demonic half truth of sorts since God is as I put it earlier is like the brakes in an automobile. Certain impulses need to be suppressed.



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