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If you have a medically necessary need and your physician/OB/GYN won't prescribe it, it is either not medically necessary (in which case it wouldn't fit this situation in the first place), it would cause greater harm,

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DS, I am not as certain as you seem to be that all insurance covers abortion. I know insurance doesn't cover medically unnecessary procedures, so I am also not as certain as you that insurance will cover a legally mandated ultrasound.

Seriously? If a medically unnecessary procedure can be mandated, can you seriously not see a mandate for insurance to cover Government mandated procedures? The Obama Administration seems to think they can mandate that insurance companies cover the cost of birth control, whether medically necessary or not. How would this not fall into a similar category?

        I suppose they could mandate it.  They could also mandate that my insurance company cover my botox injections, but I am not holding my breath.  In Kansas, though, what they have mandated is that insurance not cover abortions, unless a woman buys special abortion coverage.  So I guess that answers my question as to whether the ultrasounds would be covered.

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As for PP, even if they are charging on a sliding scale, the procedure costs someone money.

Stop!! You're damn right! Every procedure costs someone money. Nothing is free. Everything ends up getting paid for. Who should bear the cost? You? Me? The person providing the service? The American Taxpayer? The person receiving the service?

Answer carefully.

Well, since by law, Federal funding cannot be used for abortion, in the case of PP it would be the donors to that organization.  Which means there is less money available for other services for poor women.

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Some PPs don't offer abortions either.

Bet those locations can provide assistance in finding their clientele no-cost or low-cost providers. Hell, you can't get a mammogram from PP, but you can get assistance in finding where to get a mammogram, and assistance in paying for it (don't forget the Komen Foundation flap).

Gee, you apparently think there is a free abortion clinic on every corner.  Kinda like Starbucks.  Let me assure you, there isn't.

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I won't be holding my breath since the current mindset of victimhood and entitlement are so deeply ingrained in our national psyche will prevent the necessary changes.

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I won't be holding my breath since the current mindset of victimhood and entitlement are so deeply ingrained in our national psyche will prevent the necessary changes.

Strange as it may seem, I agree with you.
The current mindset of victimhood and entitlement amoung the wealthy 1% and among Caucasian Males is so ingrained in their personal psyches that they will fight to retain their perceived entitlements by any means necessary - even if the nation is destroyed in the process.
The wealthy 1% will buy politicians, state legislatures and complete TV & radio networks (FOX) to retain their perceived "Rich People entitlements". After all, the wealthy 1% are just poor, misunderstood "victims" as their TV network, FOX, tell us every day on their "news" and commentary shows.
Caucasian Males will join violent hate groups (as it has been reported that, in 2009, membership in Right-wing White Supremicist groups increased by 224% since the previous year of 2008) to retain their perceived "Caucasian Male Entitlements". We've all seen the news photos of those poor, misunderstood "victims" at Tea Party rallies with their AK-47s and their signs saying "I Want MY Country Back".

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        I suppose they could mandate it.  They could also mandate that my insurance company cover my botox injections, but I am not holding my breath.  In Kansas, though, what they have mandated is that insurance not cover abortions, unless a woman buys special abortion coverage.  So I guess that answers my question as to whether the ultrasounds would be covered.

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I disagree with the Kansas mandated. It doesn't need to go any further than Government shouldn't have any say in what a private insurance company covers or how they charge for that coverage.

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Stop!! You're damn right! Every procedure costs someone money. Nothing is free. Everything ends up getting paid for. Who should bear the cost? You? Me? The person providing the service? The American Taxpayer? The person receiving the service?
Answer carefully.
Well, since by law, Federal funding cannot be used for abortion, in the case of PP it would be the donors to that organization.  Which means there is less money available for other services for poor women.

Maybe I didn't ask the question correctly. I'll try to word it so that I'm clearer in the answer I'm looking for.

Who should bear the cost of a procedure (in general, not a specific procedure)? You? Me? The person providing the service? The American Taxpayer? The person receiving the service?

Answer carefully.

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Bet those locations can provide assistance in finding their clientele no-cost or low-cost providers. Hell, you can't get a mammogram from PP, but you can get assistance in finding where to get a mammogram, and assistance in paying for it (don't forget the Komen Foundation flap).

Gee, you apparently think there is a free abortion clinic on every corner.  Kinda like Starbucks.  Let me assure you, there isn't.

Actually, I don't. Helping their clientele find no-cost or low-cost providers would only be necessary if those providers weren't easy to find.

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Really, I am surprised that you seem so offended by the idea that these ultrasounds are simply a cynical attempt to make abortions unaffordable for those women who need them most.  The legislators in Kansas seem to be pretty upfront about that.  Not only have they mandated that abortion be removed from insurance coverage in that state, but in their latest bill, they have included a provision that would not allow the cost of an abortion to be deducted as a health care expense and would charge sales tax on the fee for an abortion.   For someone who so freely expresses their opinion about this issue, you seem remarkably uninformed.

Actually, I don't care one-way or the other if the ultrasounds are mandated or not. Actually, that's not true. As I've said many times before, I don't think Government has any right to mandate anything in these matters. If an insurance company were to mandate the ultrasound, well, that's a completely different story. I wouldn't agree with it being mandated, but that would be up to the private insurance company, not me.

As I am not in Kansas, I'm not so concerned with their bills. If this was happening in Ohio, I'd be much more concerned and involved. I have no say in Kansas politics. I only have say in Ohio and National politics.

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PS prostate exam might be given to rule out any other problem that can cause issues with non erections.
The walls between the bladder, bowel and prostate are thinner there and best felt thru the rectum for irregularities.

You really felt the need to instruct me on why a rectal exam is used to check the prostate? Really?

Oh, and, well, the requirement for the rectal exam for purposes of this legislation wouldn't be to find if there are other reasons for the E.D. A physician worth his/her salt looking to actually take care of the patient would have already checked into that previously.

It was a very well put cover, though. I do have to give you props on that.

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A rectal exam would do nothing other than check the guy's prostate, which is a good thing for guys above a certain to have done regularly anyway.

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While I understand their anger over the bills that have been popping up lately, I don't see how spending hours making up fake bills is going to help. Why not spend all that time and energy trying to fix things instead of standing around talking about how stupid the other side is.

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I am assuming that when you say the "cause", you are referring to the need of politicians to become involved in women's private health care decisions? I would like that removed also.

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Because they (government, not the several women introducing the bills specifically) are the problem. The only way to truly fix the problem is to remove the cause and, if nothing else, a politician (most members, regardless of party affiliation) are all about securing their own jobs until they retire.

Not exactly. Do I think gub'mint needs to get out of women's private health care decisions? Absolutely.
Do I think gub'mint needs to get out of American Citizens' private health care decisions? Absolutely.
Do I think gub'mint needs to get out of paying for American Citizens' private health care decisions? Absolutely.
Do I think gub'mint needs to get out of regulating every single part of our lives? No.
Do I think gub'mint needs to reduce its encroachment into every single part of our lives? Absolutely.

I am of the opinion that if Government were to be limited to those things that are only Constitutional - and here is the most important part - according to a Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution, we would have cheaper almost everything. We might even have cheaper everything. Government would be smaller. People would be more self-reliant. Gross consumption would drop and the tax burden on the American Citizen would drop. If we were to institute a consumption tax system instead of a earnings and consumptive tax system, I think we'd be even that much more well off.

I won't be holding my breath since the current mindset of victimhood and entitlement are so deeply ingrained in our national psyche will prevent the necessary changes.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I won't be holding my breath since the current mindset of victimhood and entitlement are so deeply ingrained in our national psyche will prevent the necessary changes.

Strange as it may seem, I agree with you.

The current mindset of victimhood and entitlement amoung the wealthy 1% and among Caucasian Males is so ingrained in their personal psyches that they will fight to retain their perceived entitlements by any means necessary - even if the nation is destroyed in the process.

The wealthy 1% will buy politicians, state legislatures and complete TV & radio networks (FOX) to retain their perceived "Rich People entitlements". After all, the wealthy 1% are just poor, misunderstood "victims" as their TV network, FOX, tell us every day on their "news" and commentary shows.

Caucasian Males will join violent hate groups (as it has been reported that, in 2009, membership in Right-wing White Supremicist groups increased by 224% since the previous year of 2008) to retain their perceived "Caucasian Male Entitlements". We've all seen the news photos of those poor, misunderstood "victims" at Tea Party rallies with their AK-47s and their signs saying "I Want MY Country Back".

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They worked weekends, nights, holidays while the 99 stayed home, partied just exactly like.....it was 1999.

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They worked weekends, nights, holidays while the 99 stayed home, partied just exactly like.....it was 1999.

How's that work, when like Mitt Romney, your money is in a blind trust that other people manage?

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The guy did things that anyone else could have....but they didn't.

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The guy did things that anyone else could have....but they didn't.

If only they were motivated enough to be born to a wealthy father who passed his fortune down!

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So... Mitt Romney's father wasn't hugely successful as a GM exec, so much so that Willard "Mitt" Romney is NAMED AFTER J. Willard Marriott???

Dude was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth, and you think he's a case study for self-made man?

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His father ran American Motors. He did get a lot given to him. I don't necessarily fault him for that, but let's be honest here

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self-made man?

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His father ran American Motors. He did get a lot given to him. I don't necessarily fault him for that, but let's be honest here

He didn't get a dime from his Dad, any more than you did or I did growing up (by %) and by the time Mitt was in his early 40's, he was worth 200 times what his Dad was.

Give it up people.....quit picking on the guy because he's done well.

If one of you invents something that replaces the lightbulb next year and runs on a penny every 7 years.....you can be certain, you'll hear every bit of the same about you....and it won't be true of you either.

(Just as a quick side note...American Motors went bankrupt....while Mitts Dad was still financially involved with the firm).

Added....another interesting side note (for all the "he got his wealth given to him" group):

"When his father died in 1995, Mitt donated his inheritance to BYU's George W. Romney Institute of Public Management and joined the board and was vice-chair of the Points of Light Foundation, which had incorporated his father's National Volunteer Center)"

So, where this isn't clear.....whatever it was his Dad gave him.....the guy gave away.

Why?

Because he made enough (on his own) by then that it wasn't even comparable.