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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil
No, it just means that the guy wasn't prepared for the defense coming his way. I remember a woman who was a martial arts expert being attacked by a guy in New York. Her attacker obviously didn't know she was a black belt. She laid the guy out on his ass until the police got there and could arrest the ATTACKER. Even though he lost. You seem to be missing the "reasonable" portion of the "reasonable doubt." Sometimes people start fights, and sometimes they lose the fights they start. The outcome of the fight doesn't "prove" anything about who started it.
Apples and oranges. That woman was attacked. Zimmerman only followed and spoke to Martin, who thn followed him as he tried to leave.
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil
Sigh. Beyond a reasonable doubt is for a judge and jury to weigh, not the police force. If every crime had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before an arrest could be made, arrests wouldn't ever happen unless the police were there to witness every event in the crime themselves.
And after years of being on the force, many cops get a solid handle on what will and won't be prosecuted. Hint: Even the prosecutor agreed with them. So they could arrest every day and twice on Sunday, but if the prosecutor doesn't bring charges, it's a waste of their time.
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil
So now Zimmerman's own claims aren't evidence enough for you? 10.0 in the mental gymnastics competition, my friend. 10.0. You're going through some serious hoops to try to create "reasonable" doubt for this guy where it doesn't actually exist. I hope you've contacted the defense team about offering your services.
No gymnastics necessary. Re-read your accusation. *You* stated there was "plenty of evidence" that Zimmerman followed Martin. There isn't. There's only him saying he was, which is the exact same amount of "evidence" that says Martin was following him back to his truck -- his word.
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil
Can you provide a link to this claim that Zimmerman was trying to return to his vehicle? It seems to contradict all of the neighbor 911 calls that reported two people fighting, then a gunshot, then Zimmerman standing over Trayvon Martin's body. Not a single person besides George Zimmerman saw George Zimmerman running back to his vehicle, Martin chasing Zimmerman, or anything that would support those claims.
It's been repeated for the last 4 days on the Today Show. Check their website for the video.
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil
What I think is dangerous is going purely on the word of whoever's left standing after a shootout without any further investigation. There's plenty of evidence of a crime here, and "well, he said..." thing is a steaming pile of shit and you know it. If I shot Zimmerman because I feared that he might shoot me and I just had a feeling he was "up to no good," it would take a lot more evidence than my "feeling" to justify that. And I'd fully expect the police to arrest me while they investigated to see if there was physical evidence or anything else to back up my version of events beyond my feelings.
Once again, there *is* further investigation going on. They just did not arrest him while they conduct it.
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil
Yeah, by the State and the federal government, not the Sanford PD, who didn't do an investigation at the crime scene. From everything out there, if they'd collected bullet fragments preserved the crime scene to investigate it, don't you think that would have come out by now?
Bullet fragments? You mean fragments of the *one* bullet fired....into Martin? I'm sure Martin's body has that for you. Where *did* they leave that....on the grass in the yard? Ohhhhh no wait. It's probably at the medical examiner's office.....being "investigated."
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil
No one in the Sanford PD actually investigated this killing
Yes they did and yes they are. He's just not in custody during the process.
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It blows my mind that you can actually argue that there's nothing wrong with the police - Sanford PD, not the feds, not the State - in this case not even bothering to collect evidence or investigate Zimmerman's claims because what he said could be true.
I find no issue with them because (once again) they *are* investigating. They only thing they have *not* done is arrest a guy with flimsy evidence. If they turn up adequate evidence of a crime, you can bet cash Zimmerman will be arrested.
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil
If someone walks into a bank with a gun or a threatening note, the police will try to prevent the situation from getting violent. I'm not saying cops can be everywhere, but the reason the dispatcher told Zimmerman they didn't need him to follow Martin is probably to prevent the situation from devolving.
Don't move the goal posts. Your assertion was that their main function was to prevent crime, not prevent crime from "devolving" once it's in progress
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