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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 12:55:23 PM   
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לא רק זה, אבל העץ משמש שלי נמצא כבר לפרוח, תודה לך, בורא עולם, על המתנה היפה של האביב. בפעם הבאה, אולי לחכות קצת כדי שאוכל משמשים, אך עם זאת, אני מודה ומבורך.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 1:01:21 PM   
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Isn't there something you're supposed to not be doing today, fargle?

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 1:30:44 PM   
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Not that this will stop any of you zealots from forming a lynch mob, but...

Witness: Martin Attacked Zimmerman.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 1:48:37 PM   
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I wouldnt play the racist card either, it could even help zimmerman in his defense in the end.
And if the victim would have been a whitey I think zimmerman would still have got his gun out.
He is just a triggerhappy fella.


Yep. That's gonna help race relations. More separation. Kudos to you!

I'd like you to turn that sentence/thought around and chew on it for a while.



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I tried but I cant see your point I am a whitey pale face so why cant I make an assumption zimmerman would follow anybody who he thinks is suspect. Dont see the seperation really and if it did it is misinterpretation of a comparison.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 1:54:47 PM   
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I tried but I cant see your point I am a whitey pale face so why cant I make an assumption zimmerman would follow anybody who he thinks is suspect. Dont see the seperation really and if it did it is misinterpretation of a comparison.


Well, had you typed: "If this kid hadn't been a darky ..."

Your use of a volitile term, whether you're white or not is still a matter of separatism. Just because you choose to throw "racist" ideas at people that look like you, doesn't make it any less divisive.

We need less "us and them" in this country; not more.

We need to agree that Zimmerman may be a gun-toting maniac looking for blood on a Friday night just because that's what he is.

We need to agree that Trayvon might be a young hoodlum who was looking for some easy pickin's because that's what he was.

We need to agree that their color matters less than what is their character.

Or, we can just keep perpetuating bullshit that will keep us at each others' throats. I know the choice I make.



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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 1:55:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

Not that this will stop any of you zealots from forming a lynch mob, but...

Witness: Martin Attacked Zimmerman.

I have read it and it would explain a lot more then just lynching zimmerman.
In the end I do keep my stance he murdered someone with a gun in the street as a civil guard.
He could have defended himself with a bat as well. And he defied a direct order from 911 to stop following.
If he wanted to be captain he should have learned handcombat first and he would have been wise to patrol in pairs not just by himself.
What would zimmerman do against a group?
would he follow a drunkass group and what would he do if the group gave him a beating?
He would draw his gun.
No back up leads to this kinda of behaviour.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 1:59:47 PM   
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I tried but I cant see your point I am a whitey pale face so why cant I make an assumption zimmerman would follow anybody who he thinks is suspect. Dont see the seperation really and if it did it is misinterpretation of a comparison.


Well, had you typed: "If this kid hadn't been a darky ..."

Your use of a volitile term, whether you're white or not is still a matter of separatism. Just because you choose to throw "racist" ideas at people that look like you, doesn't make it any less divisive.

We need less "us and them" in this country; not more.

We need to agree that Zimmerman may be a gun-toting maniac looking for blood on a Friday night just because that's what he is.

We need to agree that Trayvon might be a young hoodlum who was looking for some easy pickin's because that's what he was.

We need to agree that their color matters less than what is their character.

Or, we can just keep perpetuating bullshit that will keep us at each others' throats. I know the choice I make.



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Ah I see your point but its exactly the same what all that protesters do isnt it. Jump on something because they percieve it that way.
And you jump on me for the term whitey.
See how easy it is to start.
I personally dont give much for the words but you are right no doubt.
We are awfully touchy about it and its a black mans perogative to call themselves the N word so it is mine to call us whiteys.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:02:27 PM   
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Oh, I far from "jumped" on you. I certainly admonished you for speaking out of both sides of your mouth (saying that playing the "race card" isn't smart while playing the card yourself).

On a bit of a side note: I'm curious; have you ever had the pleasure of visiting our fine country?



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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:04:28 PM   
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Nope not yet.
But to place it in context of the racecard I still dont see because I say whitey that you dont see the racecard played out with a little pun.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:12:51 PM   
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Its played in general as a black and white thing. And the other colors just have to tag along.
I say things from the heart and keep in mind the controversy, cause thats how the field is played in general.
I kinda fight fire with fire sometimes and it seems to work.
Is zimmerman seen as a latino or caucasian or should I say hispanic.
Just like the term african american. I get it, but it gets a little awkward sometimes.
I think it seperates more in a way.
Like irish american etc.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:13:17 PM   
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I understand that you may have intended it to be a pun and, on another thread I'm sure it might not have mattered. However, this is a serious issue on this thread.

We're discussing an issue where the race card has already been played and a young man who may be innocent is now, in hiding, in fear for his life because of death threats.

We're talking about a situation where the race card has already been played in an effort to prejudge someone's guilt or innocense.

We're talking about a situation that will affect other young Trayvons or Zimmermans and will impact on how they behave in certain situations.

Do I believe any youngsters read these boards? No. I believe their parents do and I know that children have to be taught to hate or mistrust based upon the color of a person's skin because it doesn't happen naturally.

I realize that my opinion may not be middle-of-the-road but, since I am not all white, I can appreciate that any comment directed at any person or group, based upon their ethnic make-up is something that can separate a society rather than bring it together and help it heal.



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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:16:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

Not that this will stop any of you zealots from forming a lynch mob, but...

Witness: Martin Attacked Zimmerman.



Thanks for the link. (and your avatar lol)

But.. you don't think it's odd that they had this guy the entire time and didn't say anything? Contrary to what the news report said, this man did not see everything. What makes his account more valuable than that of the girl who heard heard Trayvon running from Zimmerman? What about the report in the very same link that you posted that said in the police report that this was manslaughter and that the killing was unnecessary?

Let's not forget that even if Trayvon Martin was winning the fight that does not mean he is the aggressor. The witness didn't even claim that Trayvon initiated the attack, just that he was on top.

Seriously, this ALL could have been avoided if Zimmerman hadn't racially profiled. It's dangerous for ALL parties involved.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:30:16 PM   
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If you're neighborhood watch in an area that experiences a fair amount of crime, is that really over the top? I dunno.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:38:53 PM   
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We need to agree that Zimmerman may be a gun-toting maniac looking for blood on a Friday night just because that's what he is.
Established. Evolution.

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We need to agree that Trayvon might be a young hoodlum who was looking for some easy pickin's because that's what he was.
Absolutely no evidence. Creationism.




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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:41:37 PM   
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Not that this will stop any of you zealots from forming a lynch mob, but...

Witness: Martin Attacked Zimmerman.


That's the "guy on top in the red sweater" account from a few weeks ago. It would be nice to hear WHERE this scene took place, as two women saw Zimmerman standing over Martin immediately after the shooting, and that was in one woman's backyard.

AND NOTHING IN THAT REPORT EXPLAINS WHY ZIMMERMAN WASN'T CHARGE WITH MANSLAUGHTER AND HELD FOR ARRAIGNMENT WHERE A MOTION TO DISMISS FOR SELF-DEFENSE IS EXPECTED TO BE ENTERED...

If Zimmerman's shooting was good, why's he afraid to explain it to a Judge -- JUST LIKE THE LAW REQUIRES.

And it's a JUDGE'S decision, not a cops. Once the cop got to the requirements sufficient to charge for Manslaughter, their job was done excepting booking him and holding him for arraignment.

THAT IS WHY SANFORD PD IS FUCKED! The FBI is going to ream them so hard they're gonna need diapers going forward.



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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:47:27 PM   
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And PLEASE stop your racist fucking suggestion that those suggesting that Zimmerman, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW, explain his actions TO A JUDGE as LYNCHING.

LYNCHING is when you hang people from trees WITHOUT due process.



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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:51:43 PM   
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Anyway just to give you an example of difference in playing the race card its different in europe.
In England they talk about jamaicans not african english
In Holland we talk about surinams and antillians and turks and morrocans and algerians, not arabian dutch.
You decide what seperates more or less. And what makes people form a front.
I dont know what you think sounds better hispanics or latinos/latinas.
Just a thought to ponder on for you.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:55:19 PM   
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One more thing about this account. EVEN IF Martin was fighting and beating up Zimmerman, since Zimmerman was stalking Martin, it's reasonable to assume that Martin felt he was in physical danger from the complete stranger chasing after him.

Given those conditions, 776.013(3) gives MARTIN the RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF FROM HIS ATTACKER.

Now, you're going to say, "Zimmerman didn't attack him", but if you're going to say that, you're going to have to explain why he left his car, armed, against direct advice against it and in violation of all neighborhood watch rules, to tail Martin.

CONSIDER THIS.

How close is a WHITE GIRL supposed to allow an ADULT STRANGER TWICE HER WEIGHT chase after her before she's concerned about her safety? If the white girl tried to ESCAPE and was chased down, wouldn't it be her legal right to defend herself however needed?



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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:56:30 PM   
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Not that this will stop any of you zealots from forming a lynch mob, but...

Witness: Martin Attacked Zimmerman.


So Zimmerman attacked someone who then defended himself and knocked him to the ground.  That doesn't make it self defense or make Zimmerman's action appropriate.

He was told by 911 NOT to follow Martin.  He did it anyway.

There is no logic to attacking someone and then when it doesn't go as you hoped, using "self-defense" as an excuse for shooting them.

Even with Florida's extremely lax gun laws, the fact that Zimmerman had a previous record for violence should have prohibited him from obtaining a carry license.  Sadly, Florida will issue a gun permit to just about anyone.  Hopefully, this will cause them to re-examine that law.

Zimmerman may or may not have shot Martin due to race.  In Court, proving that, based on the evidence we, the public, have available will be very difficult.  Even if Zimmerman DID shoot Martin and the whole tragedy was based on race, isn't the most important thing to get justice for this poor boy's death?  If that means a "simple" homicide charge without it being a hate crime, isn't that better than trying it as a race crime with a high risk of him being found not guilty?

Personally, I think this man should be strung up by his toenails.  EVERYTHING about what he did is wrong.  He should not have been permitted to be the "self appointed" neighborhood watch captain.  He should not have been issued a gun permit.  He should not have disobeyed 911 and followed Martin.  Had he not done these things, there would have been no alleged altercation and certainly no shooting.

The only thing that Zimmerman did do properly was to contact 911 of a "suspicious" person in the neighborhood.  Not because he was black, not because he was wearing a hoodie, but because he didn't recognize Martin as someone who lived in the neighborhood, and as a gated community, everyone pretty much knows who their neighbors are.  If Zimmerman had stopped at the phone call, the police would have come, asked Martin what he was doing in the neighborhood, he would have explained he was visiting his father at the father's girlfriend's and the police would have been on their way.

This whole tragedy is a commentary about gun control and why people who are going to participate in neighborhood watch programs need to be properly trained by police.

I do hope that charges are brought against Zimmerman.  As a gated community, the members no doubt pay fees and the father should definately bring a civil suit against the community for even allowing Zimmerman to continue on his "self appointed" mission.  Especially since the community had complained about him on multiple occasions.  Nothing will bring Martin back to his family.  The only thing that can be achieved now is to hopefully bring about some kind of change to make sure nothing like this ever happens again.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 2:57:56 PM   
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I've seen different accounts of the time frame of his 50 or so calls to 911. Some say this year and some say as much as 5 years.

If you're neighborhood watch in an area that experiences a fair amount of crime, is that really over the top? I dunno.

K.[/font][/size]

In 3 months, it IS over the top. In a couple of years. it isnt. that's why I pointed out the discrepancy in reports.

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