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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 10:53:52 AM   
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Maybe I shudda said equality instead of freedom.
But its the same differnce to me.



well freedom really means "not slave" which is "construed" in aristocracy land (the world), to mean "franchised" with allegiance under a "sovereign" (monarch, or entity with the power of monarch).

Like God v atheism it is full left and full right and no inbetween.

You are either in chains breaking rocks or you are in chains to the sovereign. Look at the british coat of arms to see a graphical representation of it.

there is no such thing as equality either, especially in law since law is purchased and definitely not because you are born bareassed unless heredity is abolished AND the existing treaties be they corporeal or incorporeal.




So what's the difference between allegiance to a Monarch, allegiance to a covenant (religious), and allegiance to the constitution?

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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 10:55:37 AM   
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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 11:11:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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Maybe I shudda said equality instead of freedom.
But its the same differnce to me.



well freedom really means "not slave" which is "construed" in aristocracy land (the world), to mean "franchised" with allegiance under a "sovereign" (monarch, or entity with the power of monarch).

Like God v atheism it is full left and full right and no inbetween.

You are either in chains breaking rocks or you are in chains to the sovereign. Look at the british coat of arms to see a graphical representation of it.

there is no such thing as equality either, especially in law since law is purchased and definitely not because you are born bareassed unless heredity is abolished AND the existing treaties be they corporeal or incorporeal.




So what's the difference between allegiance to a Monarch, allegiance to a covenant (religious), and allegiance to the constitution?


nice!

you are a liege in all cases.

However God is left to the exercise of your religion and the rest is left to falling in line with an institution and some sanctioned agenda.







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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 11:12:35 AM   
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yes I know

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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 11:36:10 AM   
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The topic is usually found within the original post. Slight thread drift is small commentary that is made that is used to support other comments about the original post. Completely separate issues should be taken to their own topic, and if need be references to another topic included.

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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 12:05:52 PM   
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nice!

you are a liege in all cases.

However God is left to the exercise of your religion and the rest is left to falling in line with an institution and some sanctioned agenda.
Nope, the answer is: in only one of these cases are your rights enumerated and guaranteed by law.

Including the right to accept or reject religious covenants.

The McCarty extensions are covenanting, and violate the right to disbelieve in imaginary beings.

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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 1:46:20 PM   
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The topic is usually found within the original post.


Thank you.

~FR~

So then, why the subject including McCarthyism? Is the OP just feeling nostalgic? I think not. The article in reference points out the level of fear involved in coming to such result as having the motto of the USA so significantly turned, from strength out of unity of the many instead to the impotent many's simple trust in God. As far as I am concerned the change was so significant as should have required an amendment to effect it.

But in any case the fear was certainly not of the rational sort, and more important was not inherent to the social consciousness of the time. Rather, the fear had to be advertised, marketed, inculcated, instilled through media, along with dragging people in front of congress for public bullying. Then, as in times before and times since, fear and religion were the tools in service to each other, hammer and anvil, for some further agenda.

I cannot fathom this dubious agenda except to say that it has little to do with actual spiritual faith. The Family have their secret cells and their agenda to impose a religious regime in practice and in fact in law, without it being recognized as such. But there are people of various religious orders doing the dirtiest and most undesirable of tasks in the most destitute regions of South America and in Africa, in accordance with their faith.

Groups such as the Family may delude themselves with the notion that they are doing God's work, but they are in fact practicing the worst sacrilege in ascribing their evil intent to God's alleged intention. They are a cult, only just discernibly more rational than the People's Temple but nevertheless attracting brighter minds to the nihilist addiction of control by destruction. Instead of drinking the strong kool-aid themselves (don't we wish) they are pouring ever more of it into the water supply. 

Those who claim that the US is a "Christian Nation" are those of weak faith, who need ever more substantiation by way of ever more ubiquitous application in the law and even requiring it as the 'foundation' of a modern day government and a country to alleviate the innate fear they are constantly troubled by.

The majority of people of faith and in fact the majority of church goers are stronger than this, and are aware of history sufficiently enough to feel safer that religion is finally out of government after so many centuries of turmoil and suffering from that imposition.

I don't know if the intent of the OP was that the fear and concomitant religious imposition of the 50s might present to us a cautionary tale relevant to what is transpiring today, but it is certainly easy enough for me to recognize the similarity and application in any event.




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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 2:10:31 PM   
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nice!

you are a liege in all cases.

However God is left to the exercise of your religion and the rest is left to falling in line with an institution and some sanctioned agenda.
Nope, the answer is: in only one of these cases are your rights enumerated and guaranteed by law.

Including the right to accept or reject religious covenants.

The McCarty extensions are covenanting, and violate the right to disbelieve in imaginary beings.


that is complete and total bullshit and you can figure it out because I am not going to explain it.

In fact I am out of this pee pee no-topic, how dare anyone look below their reflection


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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 2:20:42 PM   
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Back to the OP:

I remember talking about the pledge with my mom once as a kid and being amazed to learn that it hadn't said "under God" when she was a kid.

"Yes," she pointed out, "'one nation, indivisible' got us through two world wars and the Great Depression just fine."

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RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism - 3/18/2012 6:55:30 PM   
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In an interesting piece, an ex-fundamentalist psychologist details the slippery moral slope whereby evangelicals and other fundamentalists lose their moral bearings completely. This author is particularly concerned with Christian infiltration of the military, and aid organisations:

http://www.alternet.org/story/154460/how_the_fundamentalist_mind_compels_conservative_christians_to_force_their_beliefs_on_you?page=entire

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