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Musicmystery -> The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/15/2012 7:29:36 PM)

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GotSteel -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/15/2012 9:14:03 PM)

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tweakabelle -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 3:50:40 AM)

From where I sit, this topic deserves very serious consideration.

The dangers of right wing populism, or without a religious base or foundation, are self evident to anyone with even a surface knowledge of 20th century history.

In post-war USA, the noxious movement was expressed through the McCarthyism of 1950s. - a movement now considered totally discredited by virtually everyone. Many Americans look back at the McCarthy era with a great sense of shame. For many non-Americans, this shame was expunged by the great civil rights movement that re-affirmed the principles of freedom underlying the USA's foundation.

It's certainly possible to argue that the civil rights movement, and the massive improvement in life and liberty for blacks, minorities, women and sexual minorities that resulted from it, as well as the cultural explosion of subsequent decades, was to some extent a direct consequence of, and an escape from the stifling tyranny of the McCarthy era. In this view, the Right's current full frontal attack on womens rights, voting rights, health care is its counter attack.

So, in this view, there's half a century of progress, of increasing freedoms and liberty, of social justice advances at stake here. And the cost of losing is a return to the tyranny of the McCarthy era. It be truly a tragedy, not just for Americans, but for the entire world, if the vast majority of Americans, who are committed to democracy and human rights allow the Right to have its way, either by default or through apathy.




MrBukani -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 4:12:03 AM)

Kinda shocking to see how recent all these changes were. fodder for thoughtsies.




YSG -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 5:07:03 AM)

Right wing politicians use religion as a means to scare people and get them to vote for them, or really, against the persons own interests.

There is a class war going on in this country, and it is coming from above




vincentML -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 5:07:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

Kinda shocking to see how recent all these changes were. fodder for thoughtsies.


Should not be shocking to observe the Reactionaries move against the liberties of the 'lesser people.' The Right fears any wiff of democracy, any semblance of leveling because they fear the loss of privilege and power. What is shocking is to see how well organized and purposeful has been their attacks at the levels of State governments. The Left and Center were caught quite unawares by the attacks against women's health, gay marriage, and public employee bargaining rights, welfare recipients, voters' rights, etc. Soon enough all the 'lesser people' will be riding in the back of the bus.




Fightdirecto -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 8:01:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

From where I sit, this topic deserves very serious consideration.

The dangers of right wing populism, or without a religious base or foundation, are self evident to anyone with even a surface knowledge of 20th century history.

In post-war USA, the noxious movement was expressed through the McCarthyism of 1950s. - a movement now considered totally discredited by virtually everyone. Many Americans look back at the McCarthy era with a great sense of shame.


I am sorry to say that, though I wish what you wrote was true, it is not.

There are more than a few on the American Right today, led by Ann Coulter with her book "TREASON--Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism", who still hold to the position that Joe McCarthy was right, that those people who were blacklisted during the McCarthy period deserved to be blacklisted, and that the FDR, Truman and even the Eisenhower Administrations were severely infiltrated by agents of what was then the Soviet Union.

Joe McCarthy Was Right!

Senator Joseph McCarthy - An American Patriot

McCarthy's Still Right: Communist Treason in the State Department




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 9:27:20 AM)

And, of course, the religious right is intent on ascribing to the 1770s and 1780s something that actually happened in the mid-1950s.




xssve -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 9:43:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

Kinda shocking to see how recent all these changes were. fodder for thoughtsies.


Should not be shocking to observe the Reactionaries move against the liberties of the 'lesser people.' The Right fears any wiff of democracy, any semblance of leveling because they fear the loss of privilege and power. What is shocking is to see how well organized and purposeful has been their attacks at the levels of State governments. The Left and Center were caught quite unawares by the attacks against women's health, gay marriage, and public employee bargaining rights, welfare recipients, voters' rights, etc. Soon enough all the 'lesser people' will be riding in the back of the bus.


Shoulda been reading Kevin Phillips, he described this whole thing back in 1990 in The Politics of Rich and Poor: Wealth and Electorate in the Reagan Aftermath - he's been keeping track of this shit for a while now.




xssve -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 9:48:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And, of course, the religious right is intent on ascribing to the 1770s and 1780s something that actually happened in the mid-1950s.

That would be American Theocracy:

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He identifies three broad and related trends — none of them new to the Bush years but all of them, he believes, exacerbated by this administration's policies — that together threaten the future of the United States and the world. One is the role of oil in defining and, as Phillips sees it, distorting American foreign and domestic policy. The second is the ominous intrusion of radical Christianity into politics and government. And the third is the astonishing levels of debt — current and prospective — that both the government and the American people have been heedlessly accumulating. If there is a single, if implicit, theme running through the three linked essays that form this book, it is the failure of leaders to look beyond their own and the country's immediate ambitions and desires so as to plan prudently for a darkening future.


Wikipedia: Kevin Phillips




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 10:12:33 AM)

Add this to your reading list:

The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power
by Jeff Sharlet

http://jeffsharlet.com/content/about-the-family/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120746516

http://harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525




vincentML -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 10:26:04 AM)

Thanks for the reading suggestions, gentlemen. I will put them on my List. I am guessing The Family refers to that group that rents lodgings to Law Makers on C Street.




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 10:35:20 AM)

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I am guessing The Family refers to that group that rents lodgings to Law Makers on C Street.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29




Lucylastic -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 11:51:10 AM)

Interesting, very interesting, thankyou MM,
added some reading material to my list:)




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 12:36:34 PM)

Particularly interesting is that this "religious" organization was founded in 1935 as a response to the New Deal.




erieangel -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 2:27:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Particularly interesting is that this "religious" organization was founded in 1935 as a response to the New Deal.



And they mess in foreign politics. Among other things, they are strongly responsible for the recent "kill the gays" bill in Uganda (I believe) which came close to being passed before it's sponsor pulled it back among strong international criticism.

Any bets on the likelihood the right wing wouldn't go after the gays in a big way in the US eventually?




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 2:28:49 PM)

I'd prefer to stick with what we know rather than to speculate--the discussion would spiral downhill quickly, and to no gain.




xssve -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/16/2012 9:54:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Particularly interesting is that this "religious" organization was founded in 1935 as a response to the New Deal.



And they mess in foreign politics. Among other things, they are strongly responsible for the recent "kill the gays" bill in Uganda (I believe) which came close to being passed before it's sponsor pulled it back among strong international criticism.

Any bets on the likelihood the right wing wouldn't go after the gays in a big way in the US eventually?



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Jeff Sharlet and Andrea Mitchell have described Fellowship leader Doug Coe as preaching a leadership model and a personal commitment to Jesus Christ comparable to the blind devotion that Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot demanded from their followers.[31][32] In one videotaped lecture series in 1989, Coe said:

Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler were three men. Think of the immense power these three men had.... But they bound themselves together in an agreement.... Two years before they moved into Poland, these three men had... systematically a plan drawn out... to annihilate the entire Polish population and destroy by numbers every single house... every single building in Warsaw and then to start on the rest of Poland." Coe adds that it worked; they killed six and a half million "Polish people." Though he calls Nazis "these enemies of ours," he compares their commitment to Jesus' demands: "Jesus said, ‘You have to put me before other people. And you have to put me before yourself.' Hitler, that was the demand to be in the Nazi party. You have to put the Nazi party and its objectives ahead of your own life and ahead of other people.[31][32]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_%28Christian_political_organization%29

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/15/10695690-lawsuit-us-evangelist-inspired-deadly-hate-against-uganda-gays

Don't know if Scott Lively is associated, one assumes he probably is somehow, but I don't know if he represents policy.





Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/17/2012 11:03:32 AM)

I wish more people in these debates would care about the facts. I knew this stuff didn't go back to the founding fathers, but I didn't realize it all happened just in the 1950s!

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