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RE: a pet's pets - 6/4/2006 12:01:19 PM

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I think that not allowing someone to have a pet, providing it animal does not aggrevate allergies and proper care is affordable, consititues unnecessary cruelty!

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/4/2006 1:11:39 PM

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Master is well aware of the situation this girl is operating under and this "is" the delayed time, He told this girl over a year ago that she needed to find a home for mo.
this one's son is not overly attached to mo, mo is mainly this girl's pet. jazzy is her son's pet and he is VERY attached to her, jazzy is only 2 1/2 years younger than this one's son and they have grown up together. this girl would never allow ANYONE to take her son's pet away from him.
Master has told His pet that she may have a much smaller dog after mo finds a new home.
this girl is legally blind and on a fixed income and with an ill child, 2 big dogs are just too much for her to handle and her Master knows it. He is not trying to be cruel, only practacal.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/4/2006 1:37:52 PM

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MLskajira, you have my deepest sympathies. It's never easy giving up an animal member of the family, even when it's the best for all involved. *hugs* I wish you and yours the best.

Loki, you have my respect for offering to take the wolf-dog Mo and provide for her.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/4/2006 1:51:53 PM

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Master is well aware of the situation this girl is operating under and this "is" the delayed time, He told this girl over a year ago that she needed to find a home for mo.
this one's son is not overly attached to mo, mo is mainly this girl's pet. jazzy is her son's pet and he is VERY attached to her, jazzy is only 2 1/2 years younger than this one's son and they have grown up together. this girl would never allow ANYONE to take her son's pet away from him.
Master has told His pet that she may have a much smaller dog after mo finds a new home.
this girl is legally blind and on a fixed income and with an ill child, 2 big dogs are just too much for her to handle and her Master knows it. He is not trying to be cruel, only practacal.

Then there's not much i can say, miss. Sounds as if your plate is full, but if possible try to put the dog in a no-kill shelter...sometimes there is one a county or two over.

i have friends who have lost pets and i myself had to give up a cat for the sake of my little one (she was allergic). i know the trauma and sorrow and loss are very real.

IMHO, you should wait awhile before getting another dog. Most P/pl i have known who rushed out right away and got another pet came to regret it.

You don't say whether you like small dogs, or what breed you may like. i watch the Westminister Dog Show every year, and even amoung the miniature dogs, there is a wide range of temperment, care needs, etc. Or you might consider a cat, which believe me can be a very loving animal, provided you feel the remaining dog would accept it.

Again, i am very sorry you are losing your dog. i will keep you in my prayers.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/4/2006 4:15:16 PM

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this girl has a friend who's chihuahua just had pups 2 days ago. they are akc registered and this one's friend told her he would let her have a pup for free. this girl used to have a chihuahua and she loved him a bunch. the real draw to that breed is that they dont shed or dont shed much and are, pretty much hypo-alergenic.
that will give this girl almost a month between dogs, but please understand that this girl is a Shaman and just cannot face life without an animal companion.
a couple of months ago this girl's little, fox-looking dog died of cancer, it broke this girl's heart and she cried for days. she couldnt have weighed more than 15 or 20 lb.s and her favorite dog of all time was Sam, he was a yorkie and probably no more than 5 lb.s. yes, this girl likes small dogs ... actually, this girl likes animials of any and all kinds and they tend to like her too.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/4/2006 5:02:28 PM

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First of all, let me offer my condolonces on the loss of your other dog. I had to put my kitty of 18 years down a few days ago, due to cancer, and I am still crying about it today.

My first thought when reading this post was, as many others, that your Master was being a brute. As I read along and saw you just recently moved to a small home without a yard, I could see that the animals welfare was being put first. Then I saw that your Masters decision had nothing to do with you moving to a smaller home, but that he had put this plan in motion a year ago. Demonstrating to me, that the dogs welfare was not the motivating factor. Adding further insult to injury < again, to me> is the fact that he and you are going to rid yourselves of one animal and get a smaller, more compact replacement pet.

If I recall correctly, your Master does not live with you. I am speaking only for myself here:
There is no way in hell anyone will tell me what to do with my pets. And they will not break my heart by making me get rid of one and then offereing me a bone to dull my ache < pardon the pun> And they especially will have no say about my pets if they are not living in my home or vice versa. When I make a decision to take on the responsibilty of owning and caring for a pet, it is a life commitment for me. I have and would again, gone without things to keep my animals healthy.
I feel very badly for Mo, he is being discarded like yestedays trash. I hope Wulfchyld does take him and give him a wonderful home to run and live out his full life loved and cared for.
What happens if Master doesn't take to the chihuahua ? What if it is too yippy or yappy for him? Do you get rid of him to and move on to the next animal ?
You say finances are an issue in caring for Mo, I completely understand that. As some one else mentioned local shelters and animal groups will help with that. But if you are having difficulty getting enough money together to feed your current pet, why on earth would you take on a puppy? Puppies need to be vetted out for the first year much more frequently than grown dogs. On top of that add the Spay/nueter, heartworm, rabies, deworming and so on. I guess I am trying to figure out of one can't afford to feed one's current pet, why they would get another.

You sound like an animal lover to me. As such I just don't undertsand how you can allow another to dictate to you to do with that which your heart loves. Or how you can allow someone to interfere in your spiritual practices.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 4:15:03 AM

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You don't mention how long you have been with this man.
Are you strong in your belief that this is a relationship that is strong and will
you have a fair chance of remaining together.
I would hate to see you have to separate with your dog and then have him come to
realize that the situation with you and your love for animals and the extra issues that may arise with your disability and the difficulties your son may have is just too much and you will also be dismissed.

You are an animal lover and said yourself that you can not see being without them in your life, this is how you are and always will be and with out them in your life you will be miserable.
It always raises red flags for me how people treat animals, because it usually is the same way they will treat another human being.
I would at least ask if this can be discussed further and I would think long and hard about the future and you and your son needs and happiness. Replacing one dog with another does not cure the pain of the loss. They all have they own spirit and personality. It would be somewhat comparable to the loss of a child and someone trying to ease your heartbreak and trauma by saying you can adopt another then it will be okay.

I have a friend who has had wolf hibreds and they get very attached to their pack of family and do not take separation well.

I wish you, your son and Mo the best of possible outcomes.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 5:59:49 AM

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Master did tell this girl that she needed to thin out the herd about a year ago, but after W/we spoke about it, He dropped the subject, until the other day, and it came back up only because this girl's son is in the hospital.
mbmbn this girl found your comments to be cruel and unfeeling. this girl is NOT throwing mo out like old trash. before mo will be allowed to go live with someone else, this girl will have to meet them and visit their home with mo for a few hours to see how mo reacts to the people and enviroment, if she seems happy, then this girl will take her back to spend a couple of nights alone with the family, if she still appears happy, this girl will take mo there one last time and go home alone. if mo indicates, in any way, that she is not happy or if she acts fearful, then mo goes nowhere but home with this girl.
Master is not offering this girl a "bone" by allowing her to get a puppy, this girl begged Him to let her get another dog. this girl knows that as long as she is assured that mo is content, a puppy will fill her days.
this girl is raising her son with less than $650 a month and will until she finishes school and finds work. dog food alone costs this girl $85-$90 a month (and this is just for mo). the vet bills will remain around the same as now, but the cost of dog food will go from $85-$90 a month to about $4 a month, and no matter how you look at it, that will save this girl money
the shelters around here "suck" and this girl would not consider placing her friend in one of them, nor, as she mentioned before, do they assist people with careing for their pets, although they do have a low cost spay/neuter van that will come to the house, but that is about it where help is concerned.
this girl is depressed over this and would like to thank you for the anger and tears your post gave her and sincerly hopes someone will be as kind to you in your hour of need as you were to this girl.
brightspot, this girl has been with her Master for almost 2 years and He has stood beside her through 3 hospitalizations of her son, her mother's 2 heart attacks and the death of her other dog, who she had had for around 13 years.
this girl knows O/our relationship is strong.
she knows that a puppy will not replace mo, but what it will do is occupy this girl and give her someone else to bond to. and Master will not remove the puppy unless it turns out to be vicious, and since this is a loving, animal friendly home, this girl doesnt see that happening.
no this girl is not fickle and almost every pet she has had in her life were with her until their death. this girl understands that when you adopt, it is forever. this girl believed mo would be with her forever, but things dont always happen the way we plan.
neither this girl nor her Master would just put mo out, she will stay here until an acceptable home is found for her that W/we are all comfortable with (mo included).

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 1:47:51 PM

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MLskajira :
I carefully worded my post as NOT to offend you. I offered condolences on the loss of your other dog, I acknowledged that *I* believe you to be an animal lover. I told you I understand finances being a burden with animal ownership.
I simply said what *I* would do in your situation. I raised questions about the cost of a new puppy vs feeding expenses because YOU brought up finances. Food for thought, as it were.

If from my entire post all you extracted was the one sentence regarding my thoughts on how your Master is directing you to get rid of an animal that you love, then I am sorry. I also said I hoped he would go live with Wulfchyld and live a long happy life.
I repeatedly stated I was speaking only for myself. You say you feel badly for Mo, that he has to leave the only home he has known and the love you and your son have given him. Why can't I feel badly also?
I did not state you were getting a " replacement puppy" . I stated your Master was allowing you a replacement puppy, to take the sting out of his orders. In other words, he is inconsistant and he was the one throwing a bone, trying to take the sting out of his own actions.

Your Master may be the most wonderful guy in the world, I disagree with him 100% on this and that will not change. I am not a slave and as such, I would not do it. That is * my* stand, not yours. No Dominant or Master would be allowed to inflict the emotional trauma on me, that yours is inflicting on you with his order. I think perhaps you need to look inside yourself, and not blame me for causing you tears and saddness, when I have nothing at all to do with it. I spoke how I feel about owning an animal. I have worked with shelters and animals most of my adult life and know the stress on the animal when it is given up and needs a new home. I know the adjustment takes a long time for the animal and they grieve the loss of their former owner. My concern is always for the animal first. They do not have the power to undertand as we do, and they cannot process the confusion. I make no apoligies for that. It is how I am and how I think.

Up until your last post, you made no idication that if Mo were unhappy or didn't adjust, that you would take him back home. All you said was: Master says he gotta go < paraphrasing> I posted on the information you supplied and that is all.

As for your ill wishes to me, they are duely noted, yet again.
I do not return the same angst to you that you have to me. I am not the type of woman who would wish pain or malice on anyone.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 1:59:29 PM

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~Quicky~

I sent a Yahoo IM to your Master and have not had a reply of yet.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 2:29:34 PM

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MLskajira:
After reading one of your posts in a different thread regarding your son's recent hospitalization, I find it even more unkind to ask you to get rid of Mo. Given the emotional rollercoaster you are currently on. I know, I for one seek solice in my animals during hard times and sad times. They provide us comfort and love that no one else can at times like this.
I will take your ill wishes to me with a grain of salt, given your current circumstances. Sometimes, it's easier to lash out at a stranger than the actual object that you are upset with.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 2:37:42 PM

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this girl is raising her son with less than $650 a month and will until she finishes school and finds work. dog food alone costs this girl $85-$90 a month (and this is just for mo). the vet bills will remain around the same as now, but the cost of dog food will go from $85-$90 a month to about $4 a month, and no matter how you look at it, that will save this girl money

i myself am also an animal lover, and i'm very sorry to hear that you have to rehome your pup. :(

That being said, i have to ask...if you are living on such a fixed income, then perhaps another pet isn't what you need? There is a lot on your plate right now, and i know that having a pet would help...but at the same time, you must think about the welfare of the animal. Just like your Master is trying to do what's best for you, you need to think about what's best for the puppy you want to get, and your son at the same time.

i notice that you said that the cost of dog food will go down dramatically...and that is good. It's true that it doesn't cost as much to feed a toy breed as it does a large animal. But you mention vet bills...often times, vet bills can cost you twice what you bring in a month, depending on what is wrong with your pup...are you prepared to pay that cost? And if you say yes...then where is the money coming from? Who will buy food for you and your son if you have spent two month's worth of income on a vet bill?

i'm very much trying to not sound harsh...and it's hard in only text. i wish there were a better way for me to ask these questions. It sounds as though you'd sacrifice a lot to take care of your animals, but you shouldn't sacrifice so much that it puts you and your son in a bad position. If you do get a new puppy, i hope that you're prepared for the cost, now and in the future.

Be well!

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 5:31:35 PM

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I want a kittie cat but My D says Im not aloud until I take care of my Mouse. Maybe I will get one for my birthday!

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 8:05:17 PM

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this girls vet works with her and allows her to make payments, they have, on occassion, even given services for free due to the work this girl does for her tribe in rehabilitating wounded or sick wild animals, so that helps.
and mbmbn, this girl is most likely overly sensitive right now, so she apologizes for snapping.
she knows from experiance that anytime something has to be taken away, it is better if done quickly, no matter what it is.
the longer it takes to find mo a home, the harder it will be for this girl to let go.
as she stated before, her son is not that attached to mo, mo is this girl's dog, her son has a dog of his own that he is VERY attached to, and Master has assured His pet that jazzy will remain in O/our care until the day she dies.
this girl truly understand where everyone is comming from about the puppy, but as long as her Master will allow it, this girl IS going to get one.
the thought of not haveing a furry companion depresses this girl more than she already is
and Wulfchyld, this girl has no doubt that You will be hearing from her Master, and she thanks You profusly for considering her baby.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 8:23:28 PM

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He is not trying to be cruel, only practacal.

I think I'm missing something somewhere. If you worked for a shelter you should know all too well that those that drop off are not allowed to pick out another at a later date from most shelters.

Just because I normally have 5-9 fosters at any given time I know all too well that the not great but passable food can be purchased in 50# bags from walmart for $20-30.

If a tree fell on the house, to me, it implies that your situation is temporary? Why are you being instructed to take such a perminant solution to a temporary situation?

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 8:24:33 PM

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Apology accepted, KMskajira. I hope your son finds his way and finds his inner strength.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 8:56:05 PM

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thank you mbmbn.
theRose4U, this girl will not even consider leaving her baby at any of the shelters here. there are only 2 and 1 is a kill shelter/ the other is not, but this girl worked there for 2 years and knows how it is run and the way they care for the animals. it was recently audited by the i.r.s. and the president indicted for embezzeling(?). her (the ousted pres.) family owns and runs it, and this girl went out there after she heard about the i.r.s. thing, just to see, and nothing had changed. this girl has tried to get someone else involved, but the humane scociety is a privately run instatution and they are not in this state(ark.) yet. for the most part, in this state, animals have NO rights. they only passed a bill a couple of years ago that makes it illegal to leave your animal tied to something without shelter, until then people could do whatever they wished to the animals in their care, now, at least, they have to provide warmth. and also, this girl is a renter and had no renters insurance, so the house is a thing of the past and she will do her best to make the place where she is now as permenate as she can. oh, mo can go through a 50# bag of dog food in a week or less.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 9:51:11 PM

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Arkansas is one of the worst states for animal protection laws. They currently have no crimes against animals that are felonies. Any act of cruelty is a misdemeanor and carries a possible jail sentence and fine, but more alarming is that if you are convicted of animal cruelty, you are only banned for a year from gathering up more critters and abusing them. Arkansas is one of the 7 leading " puppy mill" states in the US.

MLs: I work with, and helped start up one of the humane society shelters here in Mass. I am fairly active in animal protection. I am aware of a Garland County Humane Society in Arkansas.< I do alot of public education seminars on puppy mills and animal abuse> I only mention this in case you might be interested in joining them to improve animal abuse laws. They are trying very hard to improve the weak laws you have now. I don't know if it is near where you live, but may be worth a call if you would be interested in helping make some positive changes.

*steps off her soapbox and puts her activist hat on the shelf *
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RE: a pet's pets - 6/5/2006 11:05:25 PM

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Master is well aware of the situation this girl is operating under and this "is" the delayed time, He told this girl over a year ago that she needed to find a home for mo.
this one's son is not overly attached to mo, mo is mainly this girl's pet. jazzy is her son's pet and he is VERY attached to her, jazzy is only 2 1/2 years younger than this one's son and they have grown up together. this girl would never allow ANYONE to take her son's pet away from him.
Master has told His pet that she may have a much smaller dog after mo finds a new home.
this girl is legally blind and on a fixed income and with an ill child, 2 big dogs are just too much for her to handle and her Master knows it. He is not trying to be cruel, only practacal.

i can understand how this would be a problom with big dogs in a mobile home but I am sure there is someone with a good that would gladly take them out.
Yet I understand the emotions parting with them would be tough also. Ultimately I think you will do what’s best for them and yourself by finding good homes for them.
When I lived in a mobile home park I found a medium sized dog was perfect.

After a rash of break ins I was given a great Dane / saint Bernard mix Puppy the mobile home and yard was too small for her she was expensive to feed I had to give her to a man with a large farm so she could run and was much happier. If I had the dog for years though giving her away would have been much harder.

Next I got a jack Russell mix a smaller dog but a great watch dog and was a much better fit for my living space.

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RE: a pet's pets - 6/6/2006 12:04:58 AM

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in my humble opinion MLskajira, you plan of action for finding mo a good home is wonderfull. i wish I could have done the same for my last ( and I mean that is in final no more ever) dog Peter. thankfully he found a good home with children and lots of room, and I was lucky enough to run into his new owners after they had adopted him. it seems to me that u are doing all u can right now. and if u find a home for mo that u can see her often it would probibly help to lessen the stress and depression haveing to separate from a loved animal can cause. sadly sudden changes in liveing conditions ( in your case moveing, in mine a new job sucking up all my time) are resons I am familer with for haveing to find a new home for a dear pet. there is no way really to get over it quickly or easly, but as with all pain time heals and lessens the sting of loss. I wish u the streangth to get though this and send hugs.

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