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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 9:59:35 AM   
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Then you agree that women on birth control should pay less than those who are not... since pregnancy and delivery, as well as the included infant now covered by the policy, adds to the cost.



Actually by your logic, those who plan to have children should pay more than those who use insurance for birth control, who should pay more than those under neither criteria.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:00:18 AM   
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You being a past abused spouse does not mean GOP men are abusing their spouses and so therefore are actually in a "war with women" even though they do things that show they have high esteem for them and care about them, as Rush and I previously explained, by marrying them Doesnt count because Gay marriage is still mostly illegal and the GOP doesnt believe in it.. so Marrying doesnt mean they esteem them it ust means its the only current legal and religiously acceptable option, raising families with them Doesnt count..because Last I checked Men cant pop out babies there for to follow ones religion, they must fuck and pop out children with women, taking them to dinner doesnt countusually believing that buying dinner means they get laid therefor possibly getting their partner pregnant and doing as their religion tells them and opening doors for them, and purchasing them gifts as Rush explained.

This insult you have for me, and I can only speak for me and not Rush, is therefore completely unjustified and I question why it was necessary to bring your past personal marrage failure followed by an attempt to group me and other GOP men in with your abusive spouse and then follow that up with a personal attack on me, especially into a political discussion, in order to prove GOP men are in a "war with women".

Are you instead in a "war against men"? That would explain much.


Im have a strong hatred for misogynists...

My absuive Ex bought me jewelry.. He also gave me the gift of 40 stitches one time.. I was just so lucky

He would buy me gifts after he beat me, he would be extra sweet and hold open doors after he beat me... He would go out of his way to be kind... After he beat me

Its classic abusive behavior.



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this is a free country and you get to pick what company you work for


Sorry Aint to free when you have mouths to feed, some times you have to take any job available when theres a 9% country wide unemployment rate and your kids are hungry



I'm not sure what this has to do with men who do these things for the right reason. I do not understand why my actions and outlook as well as most of the men is judged by you and perhaps others here based on past abuse by the men you picked in the past. You have the freedom to pick a man like me and others who do not have hidden and selfish motives for being manly or you can pick the bad boy who abuses you later down the road. Your choice it was, not mine.

On the other point, having to take the only job available to keep from starving is still a freedom. You are free to take it or not. If you are offered one, then you are not required to take it but you can and are free to stay there until something better comes around. I'm not sure what else you think you are entitled to but regardless you do not have right to control what you employer offers except by getting another job, when it is available. This is life.

P.S. If down the road you might work at a new job and it offeres paid contraceptives or whatever but drops dental for you and your children to help pay for it then you are free to decide which is better for you and your children, nobody mandates what choice you have here and nobody mandates you pay the higher premium for both coverages but likely gives you a choice and then you make the choice. That is freedom and the right to life, liberty and the pursuit (not given or entitled to) of happiness as you define happiness.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:05:18 AM   
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If you're a virgin, and planning to remain one, then OK.



Yep, first of all.

And second, around here anyways, it's not unusual to see guys being the ones to buy the condoms. :p


FIRST YEAR CONTRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES

Male condom

Perfect use failure... 2%
Typical use failure... 17.4%

Pill

Perfect use failure...  0.3%
Typical use failure... 8.7%

So, you believe that men using condoms is a good replacement for using the pill?

Perhaps you should take a course in risk management.


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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:07:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


Then you agree that women on birth control should pay less than those who are not... since pregnancy and delivery, as well as the included infant now covered by the policy, adds to the cost.



Actually by your logic, those who plan to have children should pay more than those who use insurance for birth control, who should pay more than those under neither criteria.


Unless you are planning on becoming a monk, or a nun (and even some of them have had sex) there is no one under neither criteria.

Your criteria is that whose who smoke, pay more.

Therefore.. those who have children (pregnant), pay more.

Its just that simple.


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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:08:40 AM   
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You are also free to starve and die in the street. You are also free to get fired and let go from a job for no reason whatsoever (in Texas anyway). You are also free to make the self-reliant choice to try and get a job, only to fail because an employer would not hire you for his own discriminatory reasons. Yes you are free to do all of these things, because that's what freedom is, isn't it?
This is the biggest load of BULL&*^% ever to be spouted from the mouths of both the Left and Right. The ONLY people who are truly free to enjoy life are the super-rich. They can, quite literally, get away with murder.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:12:00 AM   
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So, you believe that men using condoms is a good replacement for using the pill?

Perhaps you should take a course in risk management.



Strawman, I said no such thing. My statement only pertained to men not necessarily being "free riders."

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:13:13 AM   
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People who say that they're paying for other people's insurance premiums are lying.



Not a single person has claimed to be paying for other people's insurance premiums. That's a strawman, pure and simple.


Well, then what's your fucking problem?

You're not being asked to pay their premiums.

The Insurance Companies assets aren't fucking yours.

Why don't you explain exactly how the privacy between a patient/insured and their doctors and insurers is anyone elses fucking business other than the patient/insured?



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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:14:25 AM   
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You are also free to starve and die in the street. You are also free to get fired and let go from a job for no reason whatsoever (in Texas anyway). You are also free to make the self-reliant choice to try and get a job, only to fail because an employer would not hire you for his own discriminatory reasons. Yes you are free to do all of these things, because that's what freedom is, isn't it?
This is the biggest load of BULL&*^% ever to be spouted from the mouths of both the Left and Right. The ONLY people who are truly free to enjoy life are the super-rich. They can, quite literally, get away with murder.


I agree with you on that one point, that is, I am very free to stop working and starve. I am entitled as a U.S. citzen the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness but not the entitlement of happiness. I fear some have deluded themselves into a fantasy by re-writing the Constitution and Bill-of-Rights to read Life, Liberty and the Right of Happiness.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:14:32 AM   
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Edited to fix.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:15:00 AM   
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So, you believe that men using condoms is a good replacement for using the pill?

Perhaps you should take a course in risk management.



Strawman, I said no such thing. My statement only pertained to men not necessarily being "free riders."



You were the one who brought up condoms, not me.

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And second, around here anyways, it's not unusual to see guys being the ones to buy the condoms. :p


If my response was not related to your implication by the above, why did you post it?


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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:16:01 AM   
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Except that in reproductive care, men are free riders (so to speak...). Fairly, this cost should be shared.



I certainly am not a "free rider" so to speak, so why should I share that cost?


You're not sharing any fucking costs.

Stop fucking pretending that the INSURANCE COMPANIES ASSETS are 'yours' in any way, Comrade. Communism is over.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:16:09 AM   
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If my response was not related to your implication by the above, why did you post it?



I already answered that.

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ORIGINAL:Me just above

My statement only pertained to men not necessarily being "free riders."


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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:17:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

People who say that they're paying for other people's insurance premiums are lying.



Not a single person has claimed to be paying for other people's insurance premiums. That's a strawman, pure and simple.


Well, then what's your fucking problem?

You're not being asked to pay their premiums.

The Insurance Companies assets aren't fucking yours.

Why don't you explain exactly how the privacy between a patient/insured and their doctors and insurers is anyone elses fucking business other than the patient/insured?




Ohio state Senator Nina Turner (D-Cleveland) is proposing legislation that would protect men in Ohio from the risk of PDE-5 inhibitors, drugs commonly used to treat symptoms of impotence. The bill is modeled after Republican “informed consent” bills related to abortion in so much as its presumption is that it is the legislature’s job to mandate what information is disclosed to patients as part of their medical consult. The bill includes provisions requiring the documentation that the symptoms are not psychological in nature, and would guide men to “make the right decision for their bodies”. Doctors would have to get a second opinion from a psychological professional to verify that a patient has a true medical malady before any impotence-treating medication like Viagra could be prescribed.
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/lawmaker-proposes-informed-consent-for-viagra-prescriptions.html#ixzz1pUQAnrmG

Want to get a hard on?  See a shrink first.



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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:18:19 AM   
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If my response was not related to your implication by the above, why did you post it?



I already answered that.

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ORIGINAL:Me just above

My statement only pertained to men not necessarily being "free riders."




There are no "FREE RIDERS". Everyone pays the premium asked by the insurer.

If an insurer isn't getting the proper underwriters and actuaries to manage their risk, they're fucking loser failures as capitalists, and deserve nothing but scorn and derision for their ineptitude.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:19:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

If my response was not related to your implication by the above, why did you post it?



I already answered that.

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ORIGINAL:Me just above

My statement only pertained to men not necessarily being "free riders."




No you didnt.  But you often dont.

My post stands.

Condoms are a piss poor substitute, which is your answer to the problem

But men buy condoms!

Buy them all you want.  They are at least twice as likely to result in a pregnancy.


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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:20:21 AM   
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There are no "FREE RIDERS". Everyone pays the premium asked by the insurer.


Perhaps you should read more closely to understand the context. I was referring to a statement made by MM where he said:

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Except that in reproductive care, men are free riders (so to speak...)[/b). Fairly, this cost should be shared.


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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:20:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

People who say that they're paying for other people's insurance premiums are lying.



Not a single person has claimed to be paying for other people's insurance premiums. That's a strawman, pure and simple.


Well, then what's your fucking problem?

You're not being asked to pay their premiums.

The Insurance Companies assets aren't fucking yours.

Why don't you explain exactly how the privacy between a patient/insured and their doctors and insurers is anyone elses fucking business other than the patient/insured?




I am very sure the added costs are passed to all plan participants, men, women, trans-gendered. This is how insurance works. I am also sure insurance company assets are ours since most company health plans are in fact only administered by the insurance company and the employees are really self-insured as a group with the employer paying most of the premum as an inducement to get you to hire on with them.



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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:21:09 AM   
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My statement only pertained to men not necessarily being "free riders."


Perhaps she's not aware that you're a product of asexual reproduction.

Otherwise, you'd be a free rider.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:22:02 AM   
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No you didnt.  But you often dont.


Yes, I did. Then requoted it.



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Condoms are a piss poor substitute, which is your answer to the problem


No it's not, that's a strawman again, as pointed out already. I'd made a very specific point to a very specific statement, and you're trying to spin it off into something unrelated.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/18/2012 10:23:43 AM   
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I am also sure insurance complany assets are ours since most company health plans are in fact only administered by the insurance company and the employees are really self-insured as a group with the employer paying most of the premum as an inducement to get you to hire on with them.


I hope you don't tell that fairytale to the IRS when it's time to put down your Total Compensation...

No employer is paying a dime for an employee's healthcare costs. They're taking that right off the top your total compensation, and to suggest otherwise kinda disqualifies you from the discussion...

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