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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

These CRAZIES literally believe that if it's G-d's will she die, it's not their place to interfere.

I personally believe these crazies should be institutionalized away from society for their own good. Their feeble, damaged brains just can't cope with living in contemporary society.

They're to be pitied. If they weren't waging war on our daughters. That makes them a danger to civilization.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I think we need a law which puts people on death row for speculating on or criticizing the private medical care between a patient/insured, their doctors, and their insurer.

It's pretty much the same thing as stealing that person as your slave. And we've always just put slavers and pirates to death...

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Unborn child means a member of the species homo sapien from fertilization to birth. Doesn't say anything about whether it is dead or so deformed it cannot live. Nor is there an exception for either of those two situations anywhere in the statute. This can easily be interpreted just the way the OP says

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I have to agree with Aylee. The bill does not address stillborns. It DOES make the doctor legally liable, by replacing his own judgment with "reasonable medical judgment". In other words, if the conservatives succeed in getting panels constituted of rabid anti-abortionists, even if they have no medical training, they could override the doctor's judgment.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Here is the bill and that is not what it says.

http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2011_12/fulltext/hb954.htm

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Here is the bill and that is not what it says.

http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2011_12/fulltext/hb954.htm

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I could understand... not agree with... but at least understand the desire to limit abortions...

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I have to agree with Aylee. The bill does not address stillborns. It DOES make the doctor legally liable, by replacing his own judgment with "reasonable medical judgment". In other words, if the conservatives succeed in getting panels constituted of rabid anti-abortionists, even if they have no medical training, they could override the doctor's judgment.

(A) Avert the death of the pregnant woman or avert serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman. No such condition shall be deemed to exist if it is based on a diagnosis or claim of a mental or emotional condition of the pregnant woman or that the pregnant woman will purposefully engage in conduct which she intends to result in her death or in substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function; or

Since fetal demise isnt, immediately, a cause of imment death in a woman, she could very well be barred for getting an abortion. This law requires a woman remain pregnant unless she is at risk of death or “irreversible physical impairment” should the pregnancy continue. There is absolutely no conditional basis made for fetal demise.

Sometimes its not what IS written, but what is removed or not stated at all.

And, before anyone even tries.. lets not go into the "they wouldnt do that" mode. We all know they would.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I have to agree with Aylee. The bill does not address stillborns. It DOES make the doctor legally liable, by replacing his own judgment with "reasonable medical judgment". In other words, if the conservatives succeed in getting panels constituted of rabid anti-abortionists, even if they have no medical training, they could override the doctor's judgment.

(A) Avert the death of the pregnant woman or avert serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman. No such condition shall be deemed to exist if it is based on a diagnosis or claim of a mental or emotional condition of the pregnant woman or that the pregnant woman will purposefully engage in conduct which she intends to result in her death or in substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function; or

Since fetal demise isnt, immediately, a cause of imment death in a woman, she could very well be barred for getting an abortion. This law requires a woman remain pregnant unless she is at risk of death or “irreversible physical impairment” should the pregnancy continue. There is absolutely no conditional basis made for fetal demise.

Sometimes its not what IS written, but what is removed or not stated at all.

And, before anyone even tries.. lets not go into the "they wouldnt do that" mode. We all know they would.

If the baby is dead there can be no abortion as there is nothing there to abort. This is a logical impossibility.

I believe that the term for removing a stillbirth is "inducing labor." Since a stillbirth happens in the third trimester. A miscarriage in the second.

And in the first, "Sorry, you lost his twin."

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If the baby is dead there can be no abortion as there is nothing there to abort. This is a logical impossibility.

I believe that the term for removing a stillbirth is "inducing labor." Since a stillbirth happens in the third trimester. A miscarriage in the second.

And in the first, "Sorry, you lost his twin."

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

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If the baby is dead there can be no abortion as there is nothing there to abort. This is a logical impossibility.

I believe that the term for removing a stillbirth is "inducing labor." Since a stillbirth happens in the third trimester. A miscarriage in the second.

And in the first, "Sorry, you lost his twin."

Sorry, you are wrong. A fetus can die at any stage of pregnancy and the woman's body fail to expunge it. In which case, the fetus will literally rot, become septic and cause health problems for the woman carrying the dead fetus. It happened to my sis-in-law after she had a minor car accident. The night of the accident, there was still a heart beat, the next morning the baby was dead, but the doctors decided to let her body expunge the waste. A week later, she had still not expunged it and D&C was performed. She was 18 weeks pregnant and had become violently ill with fever and weakness and vomiting.

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If the baby is dead there can be no abortion as there is nothing there to abort. This is a logical impossibility.

I believe that the term for removing a stillbirth is "inducing labor." Since a stillbirth happens in the third trimester. A miscarriage in the second.