RE: Another example of the "war"

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

RE: Another example of the "war"

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Another example of the "war"

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/17/2012 10:25:49 PM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

Georgia law states for a spontaneous abortion ...

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1500247/Georgia-State-Laws-on-Abortion

Unless this is not accurate anymore.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)

Post #: 41

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/17/2012 10:29:38 PM

Iamsemisweet

Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline

But what can they mean by spontaneous abortion other than that the fetus is already dead?

_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Post #: 42

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/17/2012 10:51:05 PM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

The definitions vary... it can mean many things.

So, if they meant fetal death, why say spontaneous abortion?
(1) 'Abortion' means the intentional termination of human pregnancy with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however, that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be an abortion. Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.
http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2007_08/search/hb1.htm

Here they defined a spontaneous abortion as a natural expulsion. Which is not what we are discussing.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)

Post #: 43

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/17/2012 11:33:32 PM

Iamsemisweet

Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline

That is not the definition embodied in their code. I looked it up on Westlaw, but my IPad won't let me copy it. What you are looking at is a bill. Doesn't look like it passed as written.
http://www.health.state.ga.us/wrtk/faq.asp

< Message edited by Iamsemisweet -- 3/17/2012 11:35:46 PM >

_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Post #: 44

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 2:20:27 AM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

That gives the same as I posted to you above in post #41.

Fetal death (spontaneous abortion or stillbirth) certificates are completed by hospital staff and certifying physicians

http://www.georgiagenealogy.org/vital_records.htm

Spontaneous abortion is the expulsion of an embryo or fetus due to accidental trauma or natural causes. Most miscarriages are due to incorrect replication of chromosomes; they can also be caused by environmental factors. Spontaneous abortions, generally referred to as miscarriages, occur when an embryo or fetus is lost due to natural causes before the 20th week of gestation. A pregnancy that ends between 20 and 37 weeks of gestation, if it results in a live-born infant, is known as a "premature birth". When a fetus dies in utero after about 20 weeks, or during delivery, it is termed a "stillbirth". Premature births and stillbirths are generally not considered to be miscarriages although usage of these terms can sometimes overlap.

quote:

Spontaneous abortion refers to pregnancy loss at less than 20 weeks’ gestation in the absence of elective medical or surgical measures to terminate the pregnancy. The term “miscarriage” is synonymous and often is used with patients because the word “abortion” is associated with elective termination. “Spontaneous pregnancy loss” has been recommended to avoid the term “abortion” and acknowledge the emotional aspects of losing a pregnancy.1 Another emotionally neutral term is “early pregnancy failure.”2

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2005/1001/p1243.html

quote:

A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. (Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called preterm deliveries.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002458/

So, you tell me... which do they mean? Is it still a spontaneous abortion if the fetal demise occurs in the 5th month of pregnancy?

Thats my problem with this bill... it does not stipulate what a spontaneous abortion is. The terminology is to vague and open to different interpretations.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)

Post #: 45

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 2:29:36 AM

GrandPoobah

Posts: 120
Joined: 11/20/2008
Status: offline

The simple answer to all of the "unknowns" and "questionable definitions" and "but what about..." is this. Get the government the hell out of the Uterus! It really is that simple. If it ain't yours, leave it alone. I think that's covered in Commandment #10, which goes like this:

thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Since it's not yours, leave it alone...even if you think she's really hot!

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Post #: 46

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 2:45:54 AM

erieangel

Posts: 2237
Joined: 6/19/2011
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GrandPoobah

The simple answer to all of the "unknowns" and "questionable definitions" and "but what about..." is this. Get the government the hell out of the Uterus! It really is that simple. If it ain't yours, leave it alone. I think that's covered in Commandment #10, which goes like this:

thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Since it's not yours, leave it alone...even if you think she's really hot!

Tell that to Ricky, Corbett, all these right wing state governments and all their blind followers.

(in reply to GrandPoobah)

Post #: 47

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 3:59:21 AM

DaddySatyr

Posts: 9381
Joined: 8/29/2011
From: Pittston, Pennsyltucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GrandPoobah

The simple answer to all of the "unknowns" and "questionable definitions" and "but what about..." is this. Get the government the hell out of the Uterus! It really is that simple. If it ain't yours, leave it alone.

It's kind of tough for someone to say (with a straight face): "Get out of my Uterus!" While they're reaching into someone else's chest for their soul.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

_____________________________

A Stone in My Shoe

Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?

"For that which I love, I will do horrible things"

(in reply to GrandPoobah)

Post #: 48

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 7:32:06 AM

hlen5

Posts: 5890
Joined: 3/2/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GrandPoobah

..........Get the government the hell out of the Uterus! It really is that simple. If it ain't yours, leave it alone.....................

Since it's not yours, leave it alone...even if you think she's really hot!

I nominate this for Sunny's Quote of the Day!!!!

(in reply to GrandPoobah)

Post #: 49

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 7:35:40 AM

Iamsemisweet

Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline

Tazzy, what can I tell you? After reading the Georgia statute, I am pretty convinced that the intent and the practicality is that it does not prohibit removal of a fetus that has died naturally. Those two definitions are not the same.
I am certainly not defending the law, I believe it it unconstitutional and morally appalling. But claiming it does something that it doesn't is only going to hurt the cause f the opponents of the law.

_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to DaddySatyr)

Post #: 50

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 7:42:25 AM

Iamsemisweet

Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline

No, it really isn't. Actually, I don't see how anyone could make the statement below with a straight face. Superstitious nonsense.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It's kind of tough for someone to say (with a straight face): "Get out of my Uterus!" While they're reaching into someone else's chest for their soul.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to DaddySatyr)

Post #: 51

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 7:44:37 AM

hlen5

Posts: 5890
Joined: 3/2/2008
Status: offline

Iamsemisweet - have you had that sig line very long? It's perfect for P and R!!

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)

Post #: 52

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 7:48:31 AM

Iamsemisweet

Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline

Thanks hlen5. A couple of months, and I thought so too.

_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to hlen5)

Post #: 53

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 8:03:59 AM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Tazzy, what can I tell you? After reading the Georgia statute, I am pretty convinced that the intent and the practicality is that it does not prohibit removal of a fetus that has died naturally. Those two definitions are not the same.
I am certainly not defending the law, I believe it it unconstitutional and morally appalling. But claiming it does something that it doesn't is only going to hurt the cause f the opponents of the law.

And I dont know what to tell you other than to see it how others do as well. Intent is all well good and fine. In the political environment we have now, I dont want good intentions. I want it spelled out. Intent is what I heard in the video... not what I read on line.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)

Post #: 54

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 8:10:28 AM

Iamsemisweet

Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline

Legislative intent is one of the canons courts use in interpreting legislation. That video you showed may be that guy's intent for whatever version of the bill he was supporting. Doesn't mean it was the intent of the Georgia legislature. In fact, I think when the law is read as a whole, it is pretty clear that it is not their intent to preclude removal of a dead fetus.

_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Post #: 55

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 8:15:14 AM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

Language, in law, is everything. Medically it is not saying what you say it is saying legally. This one has a (loop) hole big enough to drive a mac truck through.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)

Post #: 56

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 8:17:23 AM

Iamsemisweet

Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline

It will be interesting to see what happens when it gets challenged, since it clearly violate Roe v. Wade.

_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Post #: 57

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 8:27:01 AM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

That is the whole intent behind all these bills. The plan is to batter against Roe vs Wade until it is toppled by something... anything. Tiny chinks against a dam comes to mind. Eventually, the dam gives way. At least in theory.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)

Post #: 58

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 9:32:34 AM

Lucylastic

Posts: 40310
Status: offline

Its one hell of a slippery slope, and we both have been talking about this since 2010..weve been poo pooed and accused of fear mongering by more than a few. this is just the start if they get their way and are not challenged.
That this is happening in the 21st century is an abomination

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Post #: 59

RE: Another example of the "war" - 3/18/2012 9:49:35 AM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

I see it the way you do Lucy. For a few years now, we have been complaining about the treatment of women. Only to be told we were too "emotional".

I am emotional. I am pissed that men are making the decisions for me... that they can decide what I can do with my body, that any decision I may make is dismissed.... unless its to vote them into office again.

And I see it here. "This is not what the bill means"

Medically, I know what it says, I know the implications, and I see the slippery slope to abuse. If the political climate were different, I might agree and believe I was worrying too much. But, I wont be silenced, I wont be told I am making something out of nothing.

And, while I understand the reason behind the following...

quote:

But claiming it does something that it doesn't is only going to hurt the cause f the opponents of the law.

That pisses me off too. Because that is the prevailing thought.

Be a good woman and dont push too hard, you might make things worse off

How much worse does it have to get before women realize this is a war against us..... that does not include us?

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Lucylastic)

Post #: 60

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Another example of the "war"

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.094