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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 11:23:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I did not re-read the article just in this instance, no. I had already read it before some time ago. But primarily I have read numerous scholarly, peer reviewed articles and books on the history of finance and money, well researched works written by those in the field who know the subject well. This author does not meet those qualifications. What that article did not tell you is any of the surrounding economic conditions and circumstances, and especially not the macro and microeconomic repercussions of a currency that did not accommodate any other consideration but the exchange rate. Did the article tell you about the five different financial  crises in the 19th century? about the plethora of wildcat banks that issued their own notes in the first half of the century? about the farmers who suffered greatly from the ongoing depreciation in the latter half of the century? about the wild swings in GDP and unemployment? The ONLY thing that was mostly stable was the price of gold. Everything else suffered as a consequence, including prices of goods and services.


That's all nonsense. Rothbard is a Columbia PhD and has a CV thicker than a phone book, which is all peer-reviewed.

He has written in stupefying detail about all of these events and certainly does understand the history:
The Panic of 1819
The Great Depression
Monetary History from Colonial Era to WWII

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 11:25:24 AM   
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Wars were financed long before central banking was promulgated.

It is a distinction without a difference. 


Correct. Mostly by money clipping (currency devaluation).

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 11:30:51 AM   
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No, not really.  Same way we do it today, taxes, bond of indebtedness, and those types of levies. 

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 12:22:38 PM   
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What Ron just said.

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 1:35:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

That's all nonsense. Rothbard is a Columbia PhD and has a CV thicker than a phone book, which is all peer-reviewed.

He has written in stupefying detail about all of these events and certainly does understand the history:
The Panic of 1819
The Great Depression
Monetary History from Colonial Era to WWII



Which tomes no credible economists read, or in any case give any serious consideration. The only people who will publish his ongoing polemic (whatever factly sounding titles, that's all they are) are his compatriots at the Mises institute.

I go to the library and find the real thing.



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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 1:42:05 PM   
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Of course since she is routinely attacked by Paul Krugman, we know she speaks truth.


Oh .... "of course".... And when is the seance for Andrew Breitbart?
I only ask because it's a cinch that anybody who uses their personal contempt for Paul Krugman as their only criteria as to whether someone is "right" or not, would probably have command of that information as well.

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 3:25:17 PM   
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No, not really.  Same way we do it today, taxes, bond of indebtedness, and those types of levies. 


Which eventually leads to currency devaluation.

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 3:31:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Which tomes no credible economists read, or in any case give any serious consideration. The only people who will publish his ongoing polemic (whatever factly sounding titles, that's all they are) are his compatriots at the Mises institute.

I go to the library and find the real thing.



Wrong again. Rothbard was a leading authority on the Panic of 1819. He was one of the first historians to give a comprehension treatment of these events. He wrote his dissertation on this, and it was highly praised by Columbia's department.

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 4:43:54 PM   
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That's only because he was required to use bonafide creditable data and no hokum allowed as required by his professors in order to get the PhD. Even then I've never heard him referred to as a 'leading authority' on the subject beyond that paper, though 1819 does not in any case explain the entirety of 19th century financial history. All PhDs in that and several other subjects are expected to plow new ground in some way or another, so indeed they have their 15 minutes of being a leading authority if they go into detail where no detail has ever been delved before.

I'm sure the paper was pretty good, given the circumscribed environment of academic restraint on his soon to be revealed penchant for paintball gunning any and everything that could even potentially be ascribed "public" or "commonwealth" or "higher goal" or "advancement" or even just sniffed of rational thought. All the while, the intention was to be a soldier in the contra-social and counter-evolutionary and anti-cerebral Jihad of Miseslam, so as to get us back to our roots and do the limbic limbo dance once again, striving ever lower, not higher. That invention of fire thing is hard to let go of, the nostalgia being warm and attractive, I can imagine. Why did we ever propose to stray from our glory days?


Hey, brighter minds than his have joined cults. We were just speaking of this the other day in the McCarthyism/Fellowship/'Family' thread.





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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 4:53:17 PM   
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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 8:56:08 PM   
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Read it an weep kinkroids:

Here

It isn't short but it does explain the history of money and the successful manipulation of western international banking begun by 18th qnd 19th century bankers.

BTW, investing in stocks does NOT increase money velocity, it reduces it, does not cause inflation, it reduces it by taking money out of circulation.

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/20/2012 9:00:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


That's only because he was required to use bonafide creditable data and no hokum allowed as required by his professors in order to get the PhD. Even then I've never heard him referred to as a 'leading authority' on the subject beyond that paper, though 1819 does not in any case explain the entirety of 19th century financial history. All PhDs in that and several other subjects are expected to plow new ground in some way or another, so indeed they have their 15 minutes of being a leading authority if they go into detail where no detail has ever been delved before.

I'm sure the paper was pretty good, given the circumscribed environment of academic restraint on his soon to be revealed penchant for paintball gunning any and everything that could even potentially be ascribed "public" or "commonwealth" or "higher goal" or "advancement" or even just sniffed of rational thought. All the while, the intention was to be a soldier in the contra-social and counter-evolutionary and anti-cerebral Jihad of Miseslam, so as to get us back to our roots and do the limbic limbo dance once again, striving ever lower, not higher. That invention of fire thing is hard to let go of, the nostalgia being warm and attractive, I can imagine. Why did we ever propose to stray from our glory days?


Hey, brighter minds than his have joined cults. We were just speaking of this the other day in the McCarthyism/Fellowship/'Family' thread.


In the same vain, I read one economics professor suggest that m2-m5 are just different descriptions of money to justify yet...another PHD and shouldn't cause policy changes because [they] really make no practical difference.

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RE: Amity Shlaes: Watch Inflation Capsize US - 3/21/2012 7:09:11 AM   
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Just trying to stir up more trouble again, are you? Ha.

In any case, I'm not seeing where whatever supposed manipulations have anywhere near the effect on daily matters than old school lobbying and infiltration of government by banks, oil, pharma, agro-chem, etc. and now boneheaded medieval based human reproduction policy by mentally disturbed congresspeople.


More fun with money.

I remember now reading about this in the 80s, but had forgotten for awhile that size of denomination of US currency is effectively limited by drug cartels. The transportation of large numbers of bills is as much or more troublesome than transportation of the drugs, which nuisance larger denominations would alleviate. Of course all manner of illegal business would be made easier with larger denominations. But the movies tell me that large illegal transactions effected by T-bills are the latest fad.

I actually saw a $500 bill one time. I had three $1 silver certificates I had obtained from my paper route collections and found my way to a collector, who showed me the McKinley bill.



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