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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 12:19:44 AM   
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Biden, as VP has no power to impeach the president--only Congress can do that.



Biden is the President of the Senate, which is 1/2 of Congress, erie.

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 12:46:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		So if we don't like a president; impeach him.

"He can do this because he represents my policies; he can't do this because he does not represent my policies."

Really? Both sides are saying this about two different presidents?

IT IS APPARENT THAT THE SYSTEM IS ABHORRENTLY BROKEN YET AMERICANS STILL ABIDE BY IT. To stand by a broken system and point out problems is terrible. Like arguing how many teeth a horse has without looking in its mouth. Keep working that horsetail you may get gold someday.

MEANWHILE-in the part of the universe that still makes some damned sense...

Do something; Rework the System in the favor of people; realize that the two situations are in two different contexts and stop occupying the armchair to stop bickering for a moment.

Do; Stop talking. If things are so bad for you then change it. Unless of course you want it changed to before things they were before. If that is the case then I have lots of work ahead of me because the way it was before I was; not eating, my prospects for work were trash and I literally had zero future ahead of me due to how the system is worked in favor of some but not All.

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 1:00:19 AM   
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Oh good grief.




Well, seems like he changed his view.


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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 1:56:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		*snorts* Thanks CS... That was amusing..

I personally love hypocrisy at its finest...

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 2:28:12 AM   
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Warren G Harding died before he could
be impeached. Republican, generally
regarded as the worst president in
American history.
Articles of Impeachment were drawn
up against Nixon when impeachment
seemed inevitible. When you read the
Articles of Impeachment against
Nixon it's clear the charged against
him were the most serious ever made
at a US president. High crimes and
misdemeanors.
Clinton was charged with grand jury
perjury and obstruction of justice.
He was aquifers on both charges.
The senate is half of Congress and
the vice president is head of the
senate. But he is only one man with
one vote and would getting an
impeachment off the ground takes
many people and much effort.
Thirty two presidents were threatened
with impeachment in addition to the
three who had articles of impeachment
drawn up against them.
The Clinton impeachment will be
recognized for the partisan farce
it was.
I'm sure Joe Biden is candid with Obama.
I believe he

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 2:35:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		when impeachment seemed inevitable he resigned
He was aquifers of both charges

I believe a vice president can disagree
with something a president dies without
being under legal or ethical obligations
to try and impeach him from office.
If that were the case you'd probably
have to impeach the vice president
along with the president.
But Obama hasn't done anything to
be impeached for no matter how
much the haters yearn for it.
And I don't think for a minute Joe Biden
thinks the President has broken any
laws.

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 2:36:30 AM   
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something a president does

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 2:47:05 AM   
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President Bush got away with. Your boy can still find himself in some deep doo-doo. I wonder ... How many Republican Presidents have been impeached? None you say?

To be fair, at the time that Lincoln was President, the Republican party more resembled a progressive democratic party and he almost got impeached. But, the only two to ever be impeached were both democrats. Yep, they're the leaders!

If these hearing proceed (and ever get any press coverage), we might see our third. Very interesting.



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You are in such fantasy land.

Nixon resigned because he was not only going to be impeached, but removed from office.


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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 3:00:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		The moral of the story is that one impeaches based on party affiliation and not personal responsibility and individual moral character (or lack thereof)?

Cool Story, bro.

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 4:00:59 AM   
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failure-in-chief


Oh good grief.




Well, seems like he changed his view.


Noticed that.

But he's good at lecturing about hypocrisy.

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 4:08:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Isnt the whole point of a discussion that we all hope others will change their views and opinions.
If someone is contradicting and notices it, there is two outcomes.
1 The person either gets stronger in their opinions cause they know now how not to contradict too much.
2 The person is changed a bit.
A win win situation to me, cause in the end their is only one truth to the matter.
Its either good or bad, for all of us.

All that I have said reflects on myself, always.

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 4:19:00 AM   
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Far more common, though, is reacting, to posters or events, rather than constructing reasoned positions. Thus, stances shift with prevailing winds.

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 4:57:36 AM   
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Biden, as VP has no power to impeach the president--only Congress can do that.

Only Congress can declare war too!


Don't forget the War Powers Resolution (1973) allows a President to send troops in without Congress knowing it. There are requirements, including notifying Congress within 48 hours after sending in troops.

All that being said, the CIC can not just send troops wherever, whenever, for just any old reason. There are only 3 situations where the President can send in the troops prior to Congressional approval (or Congressional knowledge):

  • pursuant to a declaration of war
  • pursuant to specific statutory authority
  • a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, it's territories or possessions, or its armed forces.


Since neither Libya, nor Uganda pose any threat on the US, a territory or possession, nor did they pose a threat to our armed forces (let alone actually attack as required in the Statute), the actions in Libya and Uganda are not consistent with the US Constitution or the War Powers Resolution.

These things are not even up for debate, really.

They can say whatever they want about the military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. Congressional approval for military actions in both cases were authorized by Congress.

Panetta stated that our authority came from the UN/NATO? Huh. I do believe Obama said the same thing regarding Libya. Being more statists than democratic republicans (that is, supportive of a democratic republic), it isn't surprising that they (I admit I'm assuming Panetta is a statist; partially upon his appointment by President Obama and partially upon his drawing authority from the UN/NATO) would look to a central authority for guidance instead of the US Code (or Constitution).


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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 5:22:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		As for only Congress being able to impeach: Presidents aren't authorized to write bills, either. And, Presidents aren't allowed to create mandates from the Oval Office. There are Executive Orders a President can write, but they don't trump law passed by Congress.

Yet, Presidents do mandate from the Oval Office. All that needs to happen is for the President to let the leadership in Congress know what he wants, and for them to push it.

Biden can do the same thing. Biden can push Harry Reid to begin the impeachment process.

I don't see that happening, but that is how Biden can get Obama impeached


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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 5:48:04 AM   
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She did, she does, and her remarks still stand.

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We're done here.

I think we were done 45 minutes ago when you clicked "New Post".



LoreBook - welcome to the not-very-exclusive-group of women hidden by DaddySatyr when they have the temerity to disagree with him. (That's what he means by "we're done here.")

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... says they lady who obviously didn't watch the video and doesn't understand the point. Hearings are already being held. But, why bother yourself with factual details.

Go back to your "War BY Women".

We're done here.

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 6:27:45 AM   
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Didn`t ya`ll know?


President Obama owns and controls everything........


Do you think the press would be excluded?

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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 6:51:08 AM   
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failure-in-chief


Oh good grief.




Well, seems like he changed his view.



Yes, Sandra. The constant name-calling on P&R wore me down. Of course, no one bitches when I reference King George II or other names I have for him. Just another example of the movable moral mileposts.

Just an example:

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Sarah

Bwah-ha-ha ha! What a pompus cunt.......!

It`s ok to call her a cunt now........right?



It's nice to see someone finally noticed.



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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 7:27:22 AM   
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Yes, Sandra. The constant name-calling on P&R wore me down. Of course, no one bitches when I reference King George II or other names I have for him. Just another example of the movable moral mileposts.


Then you may wish to take a break. I, for one, am sad to have seen your moral stance move from this:

Disrespect And Its Damage

to this:


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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 11:16:08 AM   
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V.P. Biden Threatens to Impeach The President

I posed the question on another thread:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Oath Of Office for VPOTUS since 1884

I, ________ ___________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.



So, given that the current failure-in-chief has now deployed the military to two different actions without congressional approval, will the VP stand up, as he promised an room full of people he would do?

My guess is: since the video is from a time when he was talking about King George II, he won't be very motivated to move against the current office holder. Why? Well, I would say "movable moral boundaries" (But, don't quote me).



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RE: A War That The Press Isn't Talking About. I Wonder ... - 3/19/2012 11:56:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, there is no answer. That the current president has violated the constitution and the war powers act (put there to allow more leeway to the C-I-C so that he need not "telegraph his punch" to enemies) is fact. There's no disputing it.

What's puzzling is the way a person can be so passionate about a given issue (in this case; defending the constitution by putting forth a false accusation from a president that he doesn't like) but remains so silent when a president he "likes" (ostensibly) actually does violate the constitution and the WPA.

I would think that the Oath Of Office for VPOTUS plainly spells out that he is oath-bound (if nothing else like "duty" or "honor") to take some kind of action in the face of these developments.



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ETA: Actually, now that I think about it, his inaction could fit into the definition of "dereliction of duty" which is also an impeachable offense.

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