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thishereboi -> Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 6:46:45 AM)
I have seen the hate start spewing whenever a repub implies he might be turning to god for guidance. I wonder if this will get the same reaction? "he starts each morning with a brief prayer, then spends time reading scripture. Sometimes, he said, pastors come to the Oval Officer to pray with him, for his family and for the country." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-speech_n_1249631.html

Hillwilliam -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 7:29:08 AM)
It sounds like someone who has read Matthew, Ch 24 and takes it to heart. You're gonna get some people swearing that it's an Imam (I hope I spelled that correctly) that he prays with. Personally, if that's how he wants to start his day and what calms him, whatever floats his boat. I can think of more productive ways to begin a day but that's me. At least he doesn't consult an astrologer.

thishereboi -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 7:32:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam It sounds like someone who has read Matthew, Ch 24 and takes it to heart. You're gonna get some people swearing that it's an Imam (I hope I spelled that correctly) that he prays with. Personally, if that's how he wants to start his day and what calms him, whatever floats his boat. I can think of more productive ways to begin a day but that's me. At least he doesn't consult an astrologer. Don't get me wrong. I don't have a problem with him praying. And the fact that he is willing to admit it in public, despite the outcry it might cause, brings him up a level in my book.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 7:49:26 AM)
I, myself, have no issue with the quietly faithful, who practice their religion without grandstanding and then go about their business. I do have a huge issue with those who feel they should foist their beliefs off on the rest of us, and who believe their superstitions should direct others' civic, political and especially private lives.

Owner59 -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 7:56:49 AM)
More of your shallow bullshit..... Most folks......normal people.....don`t like it when someone wears their religion on their sleeves, claims to be holier than thow,says vote for me I`m (more) Christian or claims to talk with god("god told me"). That`s what upsets people......not having faith in and of itself. The left has always had a religious component......we`re just not trying to shove religion down people`s throats or trying to stop Muslims from building their houses of worship, trying to breakdown the wall of separation or using our faith to justify bigotry against homosexuals.

angelikaJ -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 8:09:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I have seen the hate start spewing whenever a repub implies he might be turning to god for guidance. I wonder if this will get the same reaction? "he starts each morning with a brief prayer, then spends time reading scripture. Sometimes, he said, pastors come to the Oval Officer to pray with him, for his family and for the country." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-speech_n_1249631.html ... Don't get me wrong. I don't have a problem with him praying. And the fact that he is willing to admit it in public, despite the outcry it might cause, brings him up a level in my book. The issue that most people have is not one of faith nor of personal observances of same. It is when lawmakers try to inject religion or their personal beliefs into public policy. Santorum scares me because he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, and the idea that some lawmakers want to treat that part of the constitution like it does not exist... .

xssve -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 8:56:31 AM)
I suppose it confuses you because you swallowed the Kool-Aid that there's some kind of war on Christianity by secular humanism, when it's pretty obviously the other way around. Allow me to explain: secularism and humanism do not equate to atheism, a number of Christian philosophers have advanced the concept of secularism, and were key in the development of the concepts of both secularism and humanism, Jesus was a humanist. You're probably confusing "religion" with "dogmatism", which is merely one of the many faces of religious belief, not it's sole substance, more like a form of religious autism. It's not a "war on religion", it's a criticism of a particular breed of inflexible dogmatism in which many religious people share, and such criticisms are both our right and duty under the constitution, when dogmatists try to write public policy according to their own notions without the consent of the governed. Authority junkies by nature, it's habitual with inflexible dogmatists to claim monopolies of belief, and recast their critics as "enemies" or benightedly incapable of governing themselves, a deception whereby the consent requirement can be effectively abrogated. There may be no better critique of inflexible dogmatism than that portion of the synoptic gospels collectively referred to as The Woes of the Pharisees, and no, inflexible dogmatism isn't necessarily confined to religion.

farglebargle -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 9:26:20 AM)
There's a war all right. On obnoxious people who stick their nose where it doesn't belong. For example, in the relationship between a doctor and their patient, or in the insurance contract between an insurer and the insured. As long as no-one is sticking there nose where it doesn't belong, they have no reason to fear gettin punched in it...

thishereboi -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 11:14:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I have seen the hate start spewing whenever a repub implies he might be turning to god for guidance. I wonder if this will get the same reaction? "he starts each morning with a brief prayer, then spends time reading scripture. Sometimes, he said, pastors come to the Oval Officer to pray with him, for his family and for the country." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-speech_n_1249631.html ... Don't get me wrong. I don't have a problem with him praying. And the fact that he is willing to admit it in public, despite the outcry it might cause, brings him up a level in my book. The issue that most people have is not one of faith nor of personal observances of same. It is when lawmakers try to inject religion or their personal beliefs into public policy. Santorum scares me because he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, and the idea that some lawmakers want to treat that part of the constitution like it does not exist... . Santorum might scare me if I thought he had a chance in hell of being elected. But when I started this thread I wasn't think of him. I was remembering all the cracks about Bush and others who have mentioned praying before making decisions.

thishereboi -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 11:15:26 AM)
Nope, didn't drink any koolaid. Perhaps you are projecting?

thishereboi -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 11:19:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle There's a war all right. On obnoxious people who stick their nose where it doesn't belong. For example, in the relationship between a doctor and their patient, or in the insurance contract between an insurer and the insured. As long as no-one is sticking there nose where it doesn't belong, they have no reason to fear gettin punched in it... I guess all those threads you started about the subject weren't enough for you. Maybe you should go start another one.

xssve -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 12:23:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I have seen the hate start spewing whenever a repub implies he might be turning to god for guidance. I wonder if this will get the same reaction? "he starts each morning with a brief prayer, then spends time reading scripture. Sometimes, he said, pastors come to the Oval Officer to pray with him, for his family and for the country." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-speech_n_1249631.html ... Don't get me wrong. I don't have a problem with him praying. And the fact that he is willing to admit it in public, despite the outcry it might cause, brings him up a level in my book. The issue that most people have is not one of faith nor of personal observances of same. It is when lawmakers try to inject religion or their personal beliefs into public policy. Santorum scares me because he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, and the idea that some lawmakers want to treat that part of the constitution like it does not exist... . Santorum might scare me if I thought he had a chance in hell of being elected. But when I started this thread I wasn't think of him. I was remembering all the cracks about Bush and others who have mentioned praying before making decisions. Superficial similarities do not equal congruence: Obama, so far as I know, has not claimed to be on a mission from god, which is the point most people start saying "nice doggy", and looking for a big fucking stick.

angelikaJ -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 2:38:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I have seen the hate start spewing whenever a repub implies he might be turning to god for guidance. I wonder if this will get the same reaction? "he starts each morning with a brief prayer, then spends time reading scripture. Sometimes, he said, pastors come to the Oval Officer to pray with him, for his family and for the country." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-speech_n_1249631.html ... Don't get me wrong. I don't have a problem with him praying. And the fact that he is willing to admit it in public, despite the outcry it might cause, brings him up a level in my book. The issue that most people have is not one of faith nor of personal observances of same. It is when lawmakers try to inject religion or their personal beliefs into public policy. Santorum scares me because he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, and the idea that some lawmakers want to treat that part of the constitution like it does not exist... . Santorum might scare me if I thought he had a chance in hell of being elected. But when I started this thread I wasn't think of him. I was remembering all the cracks about Bush and others who have mentioned praying before making decisions. What you are missing is that Santorum is doing well enough to likely stick around for a few years... and being #2 in a tightly contested primary race will give him position in the party. He doesn't need to be elected to have influence that could be far reaching.

Owner59 -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 2:45:28 PM)
Just the fact that the cons are in a race to the bottom of who`s more Christian puts a black mark on the GOP and should be enough to scare anyone regarding the whole party,not just one leading member like little Ricky.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 2:45:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I have seen the hate start spewing whenever a repub implies he might be turning to god for guidance. I wonder if this will get the same reaction? "he starts each morning with a brief prayer, then spends time reading scripture. Sometimes, he said, pastors come to the Oval Officer to pray with him, for his family and for the country." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-speech_n_1249631.html What is the problem with private faith? Where does it say that he asks everyone else to start their morning the same way? With the same religion? His religion and religious practices are his own business. I do not see him trying to impose any of it on the rest of us. And praying for the country is not the same thing as imposing his religion on the country. Two different things. But the moment someone (anyone) tries to impose their faith on me - different story. And the problem that I have seen lately with the Republicans is that they turn to their god not just for guidance privately, but then seek to impose that faith and guidance on the country and on others who want nothing to do with it. What Obama is practicing is Freedom OF Religion. I don't object to that. What Republicans seem to think is that that right gives them the right to impose their religion on others. And that's when I cry foul and demand Freedom FROM Religion - meaning my personal right to be free of other people's religion....

Owner59 -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 4:17:06 PM)
"Blending politics and religion"................. GOP LAWMAKER: MAKE SURE RAPE VICTIMS' PREGNANCIES 'TRULY CAUSED BY RAPE' "blending" sounds so.....benign....so......gentle....... A more honest title might have read...."Corrupting politics with religion". What a cunt Chuck is......we can use the word "cunt" now....right?

thishereboi -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 5:05:03 PM)
Yaaaawwwwn Oh, I'm sorry, did you say something? Yea, didn't think so.

Owner59 -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 6:58:17 PM)
Can`t defend your party imposing their religion on others......in this case rape victims......or maybe you beleive "chuck" when he says women are "claiming" to have been raped to get an abortion?! Your lack of words/thoughts is indicative.

TheHeretic -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 6:58:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 More of your shallow bullshit..... Most folks......normal people.....don`t like it when someone wears their religion on their sleeves, claims to be holier than thow,says vote for me I`m (more) Christian or claims to talk with god("god told me"). That`s what upsets people......not having faith in and of itself. The left has always had a religious component......we`re just not trying to shove religion down people`s throats or trying to stop Muslims from building their houses of worship, trying to breakdown the wall of separation or using our faith to justify bigotry against homosexuals. Now this is a very interesting take, Owner59, given that you were just arguing that President Obama rules by Divine Right, on another thread. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri So, which was Obama doing in Libya or Uganda? Helping people who need/needed help. Followed by quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic By what authority vested in him by the Constitution of these United States? Followed by the answer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 God. Would you care to reconcile these statements for us?

Owner59 -> RE: Blending politics and religion (3/20/2012 7:01:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 More of your shallow bullshit..... Most folks......normal people.....don`t like it when someone wears their religion on their sleeves, claims to be holier than thow,says vote for me I`m (more) Christian or claims to talk with god("god told me"). That`s what upsets people......not having faith in and of itself. The left has always had a religious component......we`re just not trying to shove religion down people`s throats or trying to stop Muslims from building their houses of worship, trying to breakdown the wall of separation or using our faith to justify bigotry against homosexuals. Now this is a very interesting take, Owner59, given that you were just arguing that President Obama rules by Divine Right, on another thread. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri So, which was Obama doing in Libya or Uganda? Helping people who need/needed help. Followed by quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic By what authority vested in him by the Constitution of these United States? Followed by the answer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 God. Would you care to reconcile these statements for us? That was a sarcastic dig on how bush used to claim god talked to him....... Not surprised it went right over your head......

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