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Aileen1968 -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 3:44:04 AM)

The going rate in NJ is about $125. This is for a four bedroom, 2 1/2 bath home.
Detailed cleaning is extra.....fridge interiors, stove interiors, organizing pantries etc.




servantforuse -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 4:15:17 AM)

The word LAZY comes to mind.




OsideGirl -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 7:43:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Are they big rooms? Or do you just hate doing it yourself? Our 2 rooms are not huge, but I get no help maintaining it and the rooms are extremely cluttered and I get overwhelmed and anxiety attackish very easily, so id appreciate some help, and wouldn't mind the experience of a person who cleaned for a living passing on their tips. Once things are better I will attempt to manage it Aline.
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I pay $60 twice a month for a woman who comes in for three hours to clean the kitchen, both bathrooms and wash the floors. Totally worth it.



I hate cleaning. It literally puts me in a bad mood.

My two bathrooms are small - 5X8. The kitchen/dining room is 13 X 30. The kitchen/dining has tile floors and that tile runs out from the dining room to the front door.

The rest of the house has bamboo floors and we have two dogs, so I damp mop those and vacuum the rest every other day. I dust one room each day, do a load of dishes and do a load of laundry a night. That's the extent of my domestic talents.

The gardener comes to mow twice a month.



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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The word LAZY comes to mind.


Yup, that's me lazy. Just cause I built a business up from scratch, work full time and prefer to spend the time that I'm not working with the man I love rather than scrubbing a house. Yup, just plain lazy.




sunshinemiss -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 8:14:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The word LAZY comes to mind.


I can certainly think of much better things to do with my time and energy than doing an activity I dislike and am not good at. As long as I'm making enough money to afford to have an icky job done by someone else, I will pay for it.

I don't know how to change the oil in my car and I'm not good at understanding those mechanical whozits, so I pay someone else to take care of that. I really can't interpret a letter in another language and choose to hire someone else to do that for me instead of learning the language. And you know what? I actually have someone else doing preliminary research for me and summarizing it for a book I'm writing.

Yep, you are right. I'm definitely a lazy bitch.




angelikaJ -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 8:36:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Are they big rooms? Or do you just hate doing it yourself? Our 2 rooms are not huge, but I get no help maintaining it and the rooms are extremely cluttered and I get overwhelmed and anxiety attackish very easily, so id appreciate some help, and wouldn't mind the experience of a person who cleaned for a living passing on their tips. Once things are better I will attempt to manage it Aline.



Here is how to begin managing it now:
http://www.messies.com/index.php/mt-vernon-method

"Let’s begin at the front door. Have three boxes in front of you. Label them "throw away", "give away", and "store elsewhere". You start with the first piece of furniture you come to which has a nook cranny, drawer, etc. This is where you begin. Then you will go around the inside periphery of the house, dealing with the items in these kinds of places.

You begin by throwing away all the true junk you have accumulated in the drawer. Put it in the throw away box and be serious about it. Don’t keep the pen that only works half the time and the year-old calendar even if it does have nice pictures on it. Your freedom from clutter is more important that they are.

Be willing to take a risk that you may later want what you discarded. Also realize that it may cause temporary pain to throw something out. However, it also causes a more permanent, definite pain to keep it. Throwing it out is mild pain, compared with the pain which comes from having to live helplessly with all the clutter which finds its way into the house. There is an exhilarating feeling of freedom which comes once the decision to take control of the house has been made and you actually do it by beginning to throw out.

Put items that you want to keep back in the drawer or in one of the boxes. You do not worry about cleaning walls, drapes, upholstery, etc. as you go. Keep your focus on clearing the clutter as you keep moving forward. Basically you organize each spot around the inside periphery of the house room by room.

When you have done enough for one day (about an hour), STOP. Put the boxes away and wait until tomorrow. Don’t overdo. This is a marathon, not a sprint. Don’t wear yourself out. Pace yourself. Take a day off each week so you will look forward to a break. Reward yourself when you get over a big hurdle. While you do the Mt. Vernon method, make a list of several daily items you plan to do each day. For example, empty the dishwasher, keep the sink clear of dishes, put in a load of laundry (meaning - wash, dry, fold and put away). There will be from three to seven on your list probably. Each day do these before you begin the Mt. Vernon method. You’ll find real control developing before you know it. Boy! What a relief!
"

OR
"Use if your house is a shambles, your marriage is in trouble because of it, you fear the health department or your landlord, your adult children are distraught about your place, or you face some similar emergency. Like Mt. Vesuvius, this is a quick and powerful method. It avoids the hang-up of decision making and clears the clutter quickly.

Buy a large quantity of white storage boxes at an office supply store. They usually come in groups of six, cost about a dollar each, have a detachable lid and need to be assembled. In the room you are tackling, position six or more boxes in the room. Begin filling the boxes rapidly with similar groups of things. On each box, tape pieces of typing paper labeled in large, dark print with the name of each group such as TOYS, MAGAZINES, CRAFT MATERIALS, MARY’S CLOTHES, etc. On the side of the box called PAPERS, note where each pile of paper came from in your room so you will be able to locate what you may need later.

Fill a bag with any obvious trash and toss it ASAP. When that room is finished, the floors and other surfaces are clear. Put the tops on the boxes and stack them against a wall. Since they are neat, white boxes, they will not look objectionable. Turn the large labels to the wall and note on the front in small print the contents of the boxes if you wish.

Your immediate problem for that room is solved because it is now clear. Go to the next. Later, handle organizing one box at a time.
"
http://www.messies.com/index.php/mt-vesuvius-method






Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 10:22:09 AM)

I don't blame you, I hate cleaning too, it puts me in a bad mood too and then i am in pain , grumpy, tired and pissed off. He's talking about me, he has this thing where he enjoys running nasty commentary in most any of my threads, i just ignore him.
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


I hate cleaning. It literally puts me in a bad mood.





Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 10:33:20 AM)

One day, when i was still living in my old room, i got sick of the filthy mess and the clothing every where an belongings where they didn't belong, cause i am a slob, and i boxed it all up and put it in storage and never saw half those things again for more than a year , because i just didn't bother to go out to the storage unit and sort what was what and bring what needed to come back in, in.


I have about 10 45 gallon packers still out in storage to this day, full of stuff from when Daddy and i packed it to move from my moms house to the garage cottage behind my moms house, and a lot of my belongings i just couldn't deal with and 99 percent of his stuff he had with him when he moved to live with my family and i, are still in storage in the workshop behind us. Thankfully he didn't come with very much. 3 of those packers are my books and his movies and dvd's cause i was re organizing an wanted to move furniture so i packed up his movies, and my books got packed up cause when i moved rooms they had to be packed an now i have no place for them, not really.


I'd love to find a handy sollution other than get rid of them.



To be fair a lot of my stuff was craft stuff, fabric, stuff like that an i finally did go through and organize and gave away a lot of stuff, it was really hard to get rid of, i have held onto stuff for so long, decided i didn't need it an then got rid of it an in like 2 weeks needed it. but there's still a shit load of stuff in my room and our storage unit that needs dealt with.


I really need him to help me more, and we're working on that, but most the time he's useless when it comes to getting him to help me clean house, or help me sort things, or deal with all the crap we chucked into storage cause we couldn't deal with it, but I am going through stuff an getting rid of it slowly at least.





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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ





Buy a large quantity of white storage boxes at an office supply store. They usually come in groups of six, cost about a dollar each, have a detachable lid and need to be assembled. In the room you are tackling, position six or more boxes in the room. Begin filling the boxes rapidly with similar groups of things. On each box, tape pieces of typing paper labeled in large, dark print with the name of each group such as TOYS, MAGAZINES, CRAFT MATERIALS, MARY’S CLOTHES, etc. On the side of the box called PAPERS, note where each pile of paper came from in your room so you will be able to locate what you may need later.

Fill a bag with any obvious trash and toss it ASAP. When that room is finished, the floors and other surfaces are clear. Put the tops on the boxes and stack them against a wall. Since they are neat, white boxes, they will not look objectionable. Turn the large labels to the wall and note on the front in small print the contents of the boxes if you wish.

Your immediate problem for that room is solved because it is now clear. Go to the next. Later, handle organizing one box at a time.
"
http://www.messies.com/index.php/mt-vesuvius-method




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a quick and powerful method. It avoids the hang-up of decision makin




TNDommeK -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 10:49:21 AM)


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Yup, that's me lazy. Just cause I built a business up from scratch, work full time and prefer to spend the time that I'm not working with the man I love rather than scrubbing a house. Yup, just plain lazy.

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Omg If that is lazy then what am I? I do absolutely nothing. Meaning, last night I was on a "I'm going to clean" kick, but only ended up doing one sink then sat down and watched tv. THAT, is LAZY. But today is pretty outside, so I plan to open windows and get to work......hopefully.




ShaharThorne -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 10:58:05 AM)

I hate doing housework as much as the next person but I am doing laundry and sanitizing the kitchen, living room, hallway and utility room tomorrow to give Mom a break while she is gone. I have been petsitting my brother's basset hound puppy and it is not really housebroken (they should of got me some pet pads...I got 2 dogs at Lizard's place used to them).

I need to go through my yarn collection. I got one storage bin in Grandma's old house and 2 in my closet with more overflowing in the bedroom. I need more storage bins to clean out my clean and get the overflow under control.

BTW, anyone need baby afghans? I am selling them $20 each! LOL! (I need to stop buying yarn for now.)




lizi -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 11:33:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

One day, when i was still living in my old room, i got sick of the filthy mess and the clothing every where an belongings where they didn't belong, cause i am a slob, and i boxed it all up and put it in storage and never saw half those things again for more than a year , because i just didn't bother to go out to the storage unit and sort what was what and bring what needed to come back in, in.


I have about 10 45 gallon packers still out in storage to this day, full of stuff from when Daddy and i packed it to move from my moms house to the garage cottage behind my moms house, and a lot of my belongings i just couldn't deal with and 99 percent of his stuff he had with him when he moved to live with my family and i, are still in storage in the workshop behind us. Thankfully he didn't come with very much. 3 of those packers are my books and his movies and dvd's cause i was re organizing an wanted to move furniture so i packed up his movies, and my books got packed up cause when i moved rooms they had to be packed an now i have no place for them, not really.


I'd love to find a handy sollution other than get rid of them.



To be fair a lot of my stuff was craft stuff, fabric, stuff like that an i finally did go through and organize and gave away a lot of stuff, it was really hard to get rid of, i have held onto stuff for so long, decided i didn't need it an then got rid of it an in like 2 weeks needed it. but there's still a shit load of stuff in my room and our storage unit that needs dealt with.


I really need him to help me more, and we're working on that, but most the time he's useless when it comes to getting him to help me clean house, or help me sort things, or deal with all the crap we chucked into storage cause we couldn't deal with it, but I am going through stuff an getting rid of it slowly at least.



TFTB, you are always looking for the handy solution that will take care of things without having to do the work to get it done. With weight loss, cooking, now cleaning. Is it honestly your partner's job to help you with the cleaning when he's the one working and bringing home the only source of income the two of you have? I remember from the threads on cooking that money is an issue, why have him pay for cleaning as a treat for you when you could save that money by doing the cleaning yourself and put the money towards food or even save up for something bigger?

Having a service come in to clean isn't going to take care of the clutter, that you will have to address- which you seem to understand but also admit you do nothing about it past a certain point. Life isn't ever going to be easier, it's good you look for solutions to things, but honestly most of the time it's going to be a question of buckling down and doing something instead of complaining about it, or looking for magical ways to make it happen. Having a service come in now and then isn't going to address that you aren't keeping things at a minimum of cleanliness, and it's not going to get rid of your clutter. You'll actually be tossing that money right out the window because in another week or two it'll need to be done again. Plus, you're not working and you could also use the exercise. Those people who work pay for a service because they have the money and no time. You spend your time working on crafts and volunteering amongst other things, I think you have time to clean.

This isn't going to be a popular posting to you and it'll probably get ignored like many of the other postings on your various threads that suggest you just woman up, put on the big girl panties, and do something even if you don't like it instead of ignoring it. I sincerely do not mean you any negativity or harm, I wish the best for you. I've been around the block a few times by now and I can tell you for sure that nothing happens in life without working for it, you need to stop trying to find ways around doing things and just do them no matter how hard it is. Magic doesn't happen. Some things you will fail at and some you will conquer. It's life. Sometimes others have good ideas that you can implement, sometimes you just need to do the work.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:04:04 PM)

He's not the sole source of income I have SSI. so we're a 2 income house, but yes it's tight, Yes, i believe it's his job to help out in here, specially when he's a slob and will just come and undo everything i just did. When I say i get no help , i'm not talking about he'll do dishes but won't do laundry, or he'll do laundry but won't make the bed, i mean he's absolutely no help, the house could be falling down around our ears an he will rarely if never lift a finger to help out with out me badgering him to death. If it was up to him and he lived alone he'd never clean house. Yes, that means no nothing. the clutter would just pile up around him till you couldn't even use the place, every piece of what ever it is that came in would never go out, and it wasn't fit for human beings to live. And some of that is his depression, yes, and some of that is just how lazy he is.

And I'll bust my ass an get it all done, or mostly done and all he has to do is one small corner of stuff i couldn't pick up and move, cause it was heavy, and he won't do it either, and not only that but will fill back in what i cleaned with more clutter because he's to lazy to put it where it belongs. I'm a slob too, i will admit that and probably shouldn't but i could manage it a whole lot better if i wasn't running around putting out messes in a house i just cleaned, and yes moms do it all the time, they could have their house sparkling and the kids come home and trash it in minutes, and housewives do it all the time but i get pissed off about it. I do not think my cleaning expectations are un reasonable. I'm not asking him to single handedly dig us out of this mess, i am asking him not to undue everything i just did and help out in keeping it tidy. And when he won't even do that, why shouldn't i be mad, or upset or hurt, or have expectations he help out a tiny bit.




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ORIGINAL: lizi

Is it honestly your partner's job to help you with the cleaning when he's the one working and bringing home the only source of income the two of you have?





ShaharThorne -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:19:40 PM)

TFB, I am on SSI as well and dealing with fibromyalgia and back pain. Between my Mom and me, we keep the trailer pretty clean, she mows the yard and we burn the leaves. There is a couple of trees leaning towards the trailer now so we are recruiting the aid of a neighbor to help cut them down (he can have the wood for his stove).

Perhaps a heart to heart talk is needed. I am dealing with my yarn collection on my own but Mom hinted to me several times about it.




mynxkat -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:29:44 PM)

I gotta agree with the 'I hate housework' theme here. I do. And yes, doing it puts me in a bad mood, and causes me considerable actual pain because of a bad back and bad knees. And as for laundry, I would literally rather spend several hours scrubbing out dirty cat boxes than do laundry. Know what? I do it anyway.

TFTB, regarding the stuff you have in storage- honestly, if you haven't even laid eyes on the stuff in a year or more, and haven't needed it, then it IS time to get rid of it. The ONLY way to get on top of clutter and get it under control is to GET RID OF THE CLUTTER. There's no organizational system in the world that will allow you to keep decades worth of clutter without being overwhelmed by it. And honestly, if it's in storage, it's no use to you right? Wouldn't you be happier knowing that all that stuff you had no real use for was being used by someone who appreciated having it?

And several of these folks have given you some excellent ideas about getting your house clean and keeping it clean. One of the big tricks is not to try to do it all at once. Start small, with one room or even with one section of a room. And be absolutely ruthless about getting rid of the stuff that you don't actually need or use. That's the hard part, I'm a pack rat and it took me years to learn how to do that. One of the tricks is don't think about it too much or you'll find yourself rationalizing keeping all kinds of junk. Just glance at the item quickly, ask yourself "have I needed this in the last year?" and "is this a particularly special memento?" and if the answer is no, put it in your trash bag or your donate box. DO NOT go back thru your bags or boxes of stuff you're getting rid of.

I love the idea of using a kitchen timer, set it for 15 minutes or 30 minutes or an hour, depending on what you feel you're capable of doing. Do your time on whatever spot you've decided to work on, then take a 30 minute break doing whatever you enjoy. Then do another period of cleaning in a different spot. Do 1-5 sets of this every day and in a week or two your house should be in much better shape.

If your partner won't help you with keeping the house in order, learn to cope with that for the interior stuff you can deal with. When he comes in like a whirlwind dropping stuff just anywhere, follow behind him and pick it up, then put it all in a designated drop spot, or put it where it actually belongs.





lizi -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:38:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

He's not the sole source of income I have SSI. so we're a 2 income house, but yes it's tight, Yes, i believe it's his job to help out in here, specially when he's a slob and will just come and undo everything i just did. When I say i get no help , i'm not talking about he'll do dishes but won't do laundry, or he'll do laundry but won't make the bed, i mean he's absolutely no help, the house could be falling down around our ears an he will rarely if never lift a finger to help out with out me badgering him to death. If it was up to him and he lived alone he'd never clean house. Yes, that means no nothing. the clutter would just pile up around him till you couldn't even use the place, every piece of what ever it is that came in would never go out, and it wasn't fit for human beings to live. And some of that is his depression, yes, and some of that is just how lazy he is.

And I'll bust my ass an get it all done, or mostly done and all he has to do is one small corner of stuff i couldn't pick up and move, cause it was heavy, and he won't do it either, and not only that but will fill back in what i cleaned with more clutter because he's to lazy to put it where it belongs. I'm a slob too, i will admit that and probably shouldn't but i could manage it a whole lot better if i wasn't running around putting out messes in a house i just cleaned, and yes moms do it all the time, they could have their house sparkling and the kids come home and trash it in minutes, and housewives do it all the time but i get pissed off about it. I do not think my cleaning expectations are un reasonable. I'm not asking him to single handedly dig us out of this mess, i am asking him not to undue everything i just did and help out in keeping it tidy. And when he won't even do that, why shouldn't i be mad, or upset or hurt, or have expectations he help out a tiny bit.



You know what, you're right. He should certainly do more than what he's doing as per your description of things here. What I might suggest with all of this is as Shahar said - it's time for a heart to heart. Figure out together what kind of standard of living the two of you want and how it will get there and how to divide it up. Take into account other responsibilities like work and whatever and see who does what on what time table. If you have to make a chart, maybe that'll help you stay on track too.

What you wrote here says to me even more than having a service is throwing money down the drain if you two can't keep up in between to a minimum standard. If the situation is that bad that he will literally not lift a finger and you have problems with the same thing, then you guys will have a clean home for maybe 2 minutes and have paid money that you can't afford for that small timespan.

As I said in my other posting, you know- life sucks at times and you have to work hard at things. Maybe the working hard in this situation is having the two of you find a solution together and stick to it. You've had a lot of good suggestions on all of your other threads on those topics and you got some great suggestions on this thread to for this topic. Use them and get your noses to the grindstone. It seems like you'll have to get him on board with you too in order to keep things on track. Sometimes being the good example makes people want to do better and actually makes them feel guilty too - then they do better themselves.




wittynamehere -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:39:08 PM)

I think it's a strange concept that people should need help from other people in order to keep their clothes and eating utensils clean. Do the cleaners hire cleaners too? I understand very rich or very busy and important people delegating certain tasks so they can carry on with their very important lives, but 99% of people can and should take care of themselves. We've become a society of people who want others to do every step of our day for us.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:41:25 PM)

Thank you for the suggestion but we've had heart to heart talks, and we hashed it out in therapy and he's promised to do better , and he might for a day or two maybe a week, and then he goes back to refusing to lift a finger, we have another heart to heart, he says i know i need to do better, and continues not doing shit.

So we're beyond you just need to sit down and have a heart to heart because we've had many, they don't do shit. And sometimes when i try to bring up my frustrations he'll throw my own short comings right back into my face and tries to shift blame from himself to me..



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ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne



Perhaps a heart to heart talk is needed. I am dealing with my yarn collection on my own but Mom hinted to me several times about it.




wittynamehere -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:45:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wittynamehere
I think it's a strange concept that people should need help from other people in order to keep their clothes and eating utensils clean. Do the cleaners hire cleaners too? I understand very rich or very busy and important people delegating certain tasks so they can carry on with their very important lives, but 99% of people can and should take care of themselves. We've become a society of people who want others to do every step of our day for us.

Then there's the matter of slaves hiring maids, which to me is downright bonkers.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:46:25 PM)

Yes, actually, that's why i got rid of a whole lot of my craft stuff when i saw someone asking on freecycle for craft projects, because she was teaching craft classes and they paid her but the supplies had to come out of her budget. I told her if she didn't mind coming over and helping me dig it all out she could have anything i didn't want, and she went home with 5, 45 gallon packers worth of stuff. most of it brand new. I had packed it away some years ago and never used it. and once we started going through it, i realized i never would.

I've already gone through the house and thrown a few things away, put a few things in the wash, and picked up a few things off the floor, i will start tackling it like that, and not only that but start digging in in the next few days, and i will try to do the walk through an pick up technique and better yet, the don't let it get there technique. Mail comes in, is it junk mail? Yes? Well then throw it away right then, don't set it down. that certainly helps.


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ORIGINAL: mynxkat

Wouldn't you be happier knowing that all that stuff you had no real use for was being used by someone who appreciated having it?

And several of these folks have given you some excellent ideas about getting your house clean and keeping it clean. One of the big tricks is not to try to do it all at once. Start small, with one room or even with one section of a room. And be absolutely ruthless about getting rid of the stuff that you don't actually need or use. That's the hard part, I'm a pack rat and it took me years to learn how to do that. One of the tricks is don't think about it too much or you'll find yourself rationalizing keeping all kinds of junk. Just glance at the item quickly, ask yourself "have I needed this in the last year?" and "is this a particularly special memento?" and if the answer is no, put it in your trash bag or your donate box. DO NOT go back thru your bags or boxes of stuff you're getting rid of.

I love the idea of using a kitchen timer, set it for 15 minutes or 30 minutes or an hour, depending on what you feel you're capable of doing. Do your time on whatever spot you've decided to work on, then take a 30 minute break doing whatever you enjoy. Then do another period of cleaning in a different spot. Do 1-5 sets of this every day and in a week or two your house should be in much better shape.

If your partner won't help you with keeping the house in order, learn to cope with that for the interior stuff you can deal with. When he comes in like a whirlwind dropping stuff just anywhere, follow behind him and pick it up, then put it all in a designated drop spot, or put it where it actually belongs.







Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:50:47 PM)

Well some master's like their slaves to have hired help so they can have their slave focus on more important things to them and their master.


Me? I'm not a slave I am an equal and a life mate.


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ORIGINAL: wittynamehere


Then there's the matter of slaves hiring maids, which to me is downright bonkers.





lizi -> RE: how much do most maid cleaning services cost? (3/23/2012 12:52:12 PM)

Btw, so you know TFTB that I understand your reluctance here, I abhor housework and cleaning. I am NOT the cleanest person in the world, I have to beat myself up to get anything like that done because it sucks.

I hire a service to come in once a month. It costs $115 for a 2 story, 3 bedroom, 3 bathroom home. I keep up with the cleaning in between. It's a system that works for me. I have to get after my kids when they're here to do their share and I hate it, but the alternative is that they think they can sit around and make messes without cleaning up and I get stuck with it all. I do what Arienos suggested on a regular basis when I'm on my own. I pick up everything behind myself as I go throughout the day and it stays clean. So my life is that the cleaners come once a month, I pick up each thing, or clean it as it happens and it stays in good condition throughout till the next cleaning. When the boys are home it gets messier and dirtier and I have to get in and clean between the monthly visits but i do it or delegate it to them.

One suggestion I have is something my sister does. She has 5 boys. They all have regular chores besides picking up after themselves and like most kids they leave things around and make messes without cleaning it up. She goes around at the end of the day, picks up whatever she sees that isn't in it's place, and the kids have to pay her to get it back. At the end of the month anything she has that wasn't paid for to get out of hock, gets tossed or taken to Goodwill. I think her system is genius. If her boys don't want to lose their things or pay a price, they keep track of them and put them away. Im not sure how you could use that with your partner or if it will work, but its a thought along with all the other suggestions you are getting- or maybe someone else can make use of it.




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